You focus on me while I’m focusing on a philosophical question. Is anamnesis a reality and is priori knowledge a reality?As are true Scotsmen, but memory is notoriously unreliable. Why should I believe you when you claim to have a "true memory" that others don't have? Why are your memories more true than those of others? How did you come to be special?
Anamneis is soul knowledge and can be remembered. A priori knowledge is “knowledge that is independent of all particular experiences, as opposed to a posteriori knowledge, which derives from experience”
As a secularist confined to one level of reality you must deny both anamnesis and a priori knowledge.. For them to exist there have to be levels of reality above Plato’s divided line and what the senses can experience. I may have had some experiences which opened my mind but that has nothing to do with the question if anamnesis and a priori are real
Quite true. More often than not legitimate experiences of intuition quickly turn into imagination and become corrupted. But the question is if it exists and can a person verity it in themselves through impartial efforts to know thyself; to have the conscious experience of themselves.Intuition might be soul knowledge or it might be a general reflection of one's peccadilloes. There is no way of knowing. If I am making public policy, why should I choose you and your "soul knowledge" over Seeda Crystal and her "soul knowledge" or Marvin Gaya's soul knowledge or Mustafa's soul knowledge or the soul knowledge of Wun Mo Vu?
A creature cannot consciously see itself. If a person can have the experience of themselves it means that they are potentially more than a creature of blind reaction but can consciously witness what has become of their reactive animal nature. If so Plato is right and we have higher and lower parts of our collective soul and our fallen condition enables the higher to be governed by the lower instead of the lower being governed by the conscious higher
As I’ve said the philosophical truths and the revelations of the essence of religion become corrupted and serve only temporary pragmatic influences.Indeed, and neither can philosophy cook the dinner. Science started to test truth claims. So many people believed that they were inspired by God but said different things. The only answer was to test. However, all of the claims were found to be lacking in basis of fact. Note that this is not about meaning - the how and not the why.
What is a seeker of truth to do when they realize the limitations of science and religion have created an unnatural situation in which they appear to be in opposition?
From an intellectual perspective a person can come to experience the two methods of thought described by Rodney Colin
When a person experiences the third dimension of thought they experience an inner direction which attracts us to something greater than ourselves.In our attempt to reconcile the inner and outer world, however, we do come up against a very real difficulty, which must be faced. This difficulty is connected with the problem of reconciling different 'methods of knowing'.
Man has two ways of studying the universe. The first is by induction: he examines phenomena, classifies them, and attempts to infer laws and principles from them. This is the method generally used by science. The second is by deduction: having perceived or had revealed or discovered certain general laws and principles, he attempts to deduce the application of these laws in various studies and in life. This is the method generally used by religions.. The first method begins with 'facts' and attempts to reach 'laws'. The second method begins with 'laws' and attempts to reach 'facts'.
These two methods belong to the working of different human functions. The first is the method of the ordinary logical mind, which is permanently available to us. the second derives from a potential function in man, which is ordinarily inactive...
Imagine living in Flatland and your psychological awareness is confined to a plane of two dimensions. Our whole existence would take place in this two dimensional perspective.
Then for some reason you all of a sudden have the experience of this third dimension of thought which expands consciousness into a cube as opposed to merely a plane. There is a lower animal part of yourself reacting as all animals do in flatland but also has a conscious part which becomes aware that human life is more than two dimensional reactive animal life in flatland. If they are seekers of truth needing to experience objective human meaning and purpose they seek to understand this dimension new to them. The two dimensional world of science cannot measure the reality of the triune universe and the role consciousness has in it. The seeker of truth needs to open to the world of impartial contemplation in order to remember what has been forgotten
I know you don’t understand these people. My guess is that you’ve been hurt by religious corruption so deny yourself the ability to open to the third dimension of thought. As you know I’ve verified that this negative mindset is very influential in schools often making them institutions of spirit killing. I know people have been hurt but that cannot be an excuse for spreading their negative emotions leading to metaphysical repression.
But the point is that we cannot decide. As creatures of reaction and victims of acquired negative emotions, what is the objective value of what we decide? If a person’s goal is to become a tyrant there is no need for the experience of objective human meaning and purpose. Negative emotions must be fed and all that prevents it must be destroyed.Science provides the information so you can decide on these and other matters. Those who ignore that information are likely to waste a lot of time exploring philosophical cul-de-sacs.
Read again that excerpt from Rodney Colin above. A seeker of truth and the experience of objective human meaning and purpose must pursue the question from both deductive and inductive efforts and verify both. Inductive reason will reveal facts and deductive reason will reveal universal purpose and human meaning within it. A true human being is one who has acquired a human perspective within which the facts of existence on earth are taking place.A seeker of truth who starts with a top down hypothesis and never questions it is not seeking truth but self justification. You have to question your own ideas, Nick, if you really want to get closer to truth. You have to - that's a non negotiable, immutable rule of human nature.
Yes we all have our own ideas but what good are they if they are just the results of living in imagination? We end up with opposing imagination.I think we all have our own ideas about what is good and yours is not definitive. My idea of the good is if whatever is happening here on Earth manages to continue to story of evolution safely on other worlds. Otherwise, all moral gains are lost when the Earth's surface is rendered uninhabitable in the future.
Do you define life in the jungle as good or bad? You may say it is neither but just the process of existence taking place. It is the same with societal life. It is neither good or bad but lacking consciousness it is just the cyclical process of existence serving universal needs. Some people begin to become aware that there is more going on than they had thought. Then Plato’s Cave allegory begins to make sense. They try to find others unafraid to rock the boat and learn how such ideas are hated. They are now in a difficult position and can easily go wrong. This is where the great ideas within the depths of philosophy and religion are vital. They have an awakening influence allowing a person to experience what they have come to realize is common knowledge but just hidden to preserve its purity.
We have more ingenious methods of killing to include both body and soul. Emotions are the same. Indoctrination changes but wears off. Negative emotions will always reign supreme for the Great Beast. Only individuals can see them for what they are and feel the benefit of outgrowing them.I am assuming a moral progression along the way, because that's what's been observed in the course of human history. It's subtle but, for instance, most here would find the idea of public executions barbaric and physically repugnant. Once people would bring their kids along. I understand the impatience for moral progress, but it's like waiting for the Titanic to do a U-turn. Slow going.
Music is vibration. To understand the power and value of music you have to learn of the power of vibrations. This is a topic in itself but for those interested you can read a little on it here:
"Nothing rests; everything moves; everything
The great Third Hermetic Principle--the Principle of Vibration--embodies the truth that Motion is manifest in everything in the Universe--that nothing is at rest--that everything moves, vibrates, and circles. This Hermetic Principle was recognized by some of the early Greek philosophers who embodied it in their systems. But, then, for centuries it was lost sight of by the thinkers outside of the Hermetic ranks. But in the Nineteenth Century physical science re-discovered the truth and the Twentieth Century scientific discoveries have added additional proof of the correctness and truth of this centuries-old Hermetic doctrine…………………………….
What is morality? It is simply the reactive pragmatic devolution of the human attribute of objective conscience. Only conscience can evolve. Morality will always be limited to serving pragmatic and controlling influences. Experiencing objective conscience is unpleasant which is why it must be corrupted as soon as possible for the sake of self justification.Interesting times ahead. However, these Great Beasts have the potential to be as much more sophisticated than us morally as we are more morally advanced than bacteria. I see it as just another fractal layer on complexifying reality.
Yes the Great Beast empowered by AI may well be the future of reactive mindless humanity until its demise. I’m convinced that the future of humanity on earth as a quality of being serving a universal purpose will depend upon the minority needing and willing to be more than just an atom of the Great Beast and aspire to be human by psychologically connecting above and below: humanity with its source. I support this minority regardless of how the Great Beast must hate them to preserve its dominance..I'm just your using your ancient words. I would say that humanity is the future of humans. Humanity en masse is The Great Beast. It doesn't much suit me personally because I've always naturally been a renegade, even when trying to conform, but I can recognise what's going on. It's fine, just nature's continued march of which we have been part.