>>>>>>Look at art as what we do.. Engineering is a Liberal Art.. What we do is to achieve good, even in philosophy, economics, and Politics.. When Aristotle recognized that Governments are created with an object of good it was supported by the observation that Good is the object of all human activity.. Why else would people labor? For evil?? We all seek good, and apart from that easy observations, I know how we do it.. I know how humanity has always sought good.. I know how they all achieved it.. Or failed to achieve it..<<<<<<
I think this goes against basic psychology, people act out of jealousy, hate, greed and so on... People know something is wrong and do it anyway, people act in contradictory ways. People also don't necessarily act out of self-interest and this is a mistake many people make. People hurt themselves, they do stupid things out of jealousy, they act out of a desire for revenge. An act which they know is good for nobody, however, they are compelled by something else, something deeper than philosophy.
I don't know what you mean by good, surely not a moral good, that would border on Eodnhoj levels of ignorance. You must mean "good for me" good. If you meant the former, I don't see any hope for you. People crave status, wealth, beauty, success and some ethical philosophy never entered as a factor. However, even if you meant the latter, people don't act out of self-interest! Case closed!
This isn't even that relevant to the OP, it's more worth discussing because you really are just trying to isolate philosophy in everything and talk about it by itself. You're here trying to make a practical statement but it's full of idealism that you've concocted in your bedroom and not something you've experienced yourself or observed in others.
I'm about done here, you aren't really dealing with my criticism directly and I see no value in talking past each other but I'd like to talk about one more thing to complete the message I'm trying to impart upon you.
I watched this anime Naruto in my childhood, I came across a channel recently which discusses how various hypothetical situations would play out, using events, quotes and comparisons valid in the anime to back up his argumentation. His name is Swagkage and here's a video but I don't need or expect you to watch it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BVW-dXS09g
The point is that he's applying critical thinking and objective analysis to provide answers to questions fans have debated or wondered about after watching the show. His procedure follows something similar to what one would do in an exam in that he backs up his argumentation with references that support his premises and conclusion.
Most members on this forum board do not come close to showing themselves capable of his level of objective analysis and fact-based argumentation, whether that includes me or not, it doesn't matter. Point is, Swagkage doesn't come across as someone particularly interested in ancient greek philosophy but he achieves critical thought without it. Philosophy is not a necessary component for being a critical thinker, challenging peoples' opinions or conceptions. Most philosophy isn't even about that.
Personally, I think the sad truth is that most of this is pre-determined, not all of it but most. Today I met a young looking 16 girl, her observations were astute, she was a fast-thinker, charming. funny and clearly extremely intelligent. All of this was obvious to me within less than two minutes. Most people, despite whatever efforts they make, simply won't be able to close the gap between themselves and her. It's not because she worked hard or received especially effective tutelage from anybody, it's just good genes.
People are in fact taught how to think critically and most of the things you're describing. By their parents, schools and such. Naturally, this might depend on the country/state we're talking about but that's just to do with effectiveness not intent. It just doesn't end up mattering that much.
What matters more, good teacher or good student? To the idealist the answer is always the good teacher, the student is like water and has infinite potential. The reality is that a brilliant student will exceed every expectation and the ordinary student with a good teacher will become an ordinary man with a bit more sense than everyone else.
Perhaps there is more to it than I say there is, It's something I often wonder about myself, my inner idealist thinking, "I could teach this to anyone." I do know reality though, nature rules over nurture.
I wouldn't be surprised though, if the period of your life you speak about, was not simply you maturing or escaping a smothering situation, simply becoming the person you were born to be, whatever that is. When I read your conversation with Eodnhoj in "limits of morality", I thought you were fairly intelligent. I'm sure you're at least above average. I know you didn't experience your philosophies as you're suggesting because of how shallow your argumentation is and I recognise the intelligence I see in you as being the same as in any other intelligent person. Seems more likely to me that you are simply conflating your natural gifts with the fruits of your efforts. Others who are less gifted will never be able to emulate you, no matter what you teach them.