Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:53 pm
SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:43 pm
Anything outside us is an object relative to us, which is why it's so easy for us to objectify others. We have to remember that they are as we are, and that they have the same rights we do. We're only objects from a point of view outside us.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:43 pm
"I exist" is an objective statement
I don't see that it is. As "I exist" is only ever said by he/she that is considering it, with their particular understanding of "I" and "existence," such that it's always "subjective."
"I think, therefore I am," is not a valid form of objectivity. A rock doesn't think, (as far as we know), yet it is.
that exists seperate from
the subjective experience of "I".
This is all anyone ever really has, as one cannot exist outside oneself, so as to truly objectify oneself. Self shall always be attached in some way.
Our experience is only ever subjective.
That which "exists outside of us" observes an inherent connect boundary between dual relativistic positions of inside and outside.
So are you attempting to converse with me or simply stroke your ego?
When I took philosophy we came to a so called thought experiment that they believed would make one think, instead it made me laugh, and it dropped philosophy down a notch, as to me believing that it had the final say on what is and is not knowledge. It was a first year students class, so I guess they expected 18 & 19 year olds fresh out of high school that they could impress with bull shit. But I was 36 and recently honorably discharged from the USN after working in, on and around multi-million dollar aircraft. In them, flying missions; on them, as preventative maintenance; and around them, maintaining their support equipment. I had left with 13 credit hours short of a technical degree, just an associates. Anyway, when they posed the "tree falling in the forest" 'thought experiment,' asking if it made any sound if no one was there to hear it, I just had to laugh. Because my job while flying sorties was all about sound and electromagnetic energy, as picked up by our various sensors, so I immediately saw the "thought experiment" as absurd. As everyone with the training I'd had knows, it certainly makes a sound, at least on this planet, with this atmosphere.
In the above instance, science (physics) trumped philosophy, unless they were just joking...
I suspect that's what you're trying to do with your sentence above, I mean, I know what each word means, but together they just don't seem to jibe. And what may be the problem, is that I haven't memorized the entire dictionary so as to know every single definition for every single word, it's just too much work. Usually the original meaning of a word is the one I'm familiar with. Which is why I didn't go too much further in college, I was beginning to see how people get lost in words not really knowing what the hell they were saying, or so it surely seemed. I was never really interested in majoring or minoring in English. After all, I didn't have any problems understanding or speaking to people involved in aerospace. They begged me to stay, when I told them I was leaving. My 16 years of service had proven I was someone that could get the job done with a very high attention to detail, or so they said in my final evals.