Failure of "I".
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Re: Failure of "I".
ob·jec·tive
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adjective
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(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral
The I is, by definition, not objective.
Anyway, I'm outta here. All anyone wants to do here is bicker, not listen, and rewrite definitions. Well, fuck that.
əbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral
The I is, by definition, not objective.
Anyway, I'm outta here. All anyone wants to do here is bicker, not listen, and rewrite definitions. Well, fuck that.
Re: Failure of "I".
Then stop rewriting history aka knowledge then, simple isn't it?Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 am ob·jec·tive
əbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral
The I is, by definition, not objective.
Anyway, I'm outta here. All anyone wants to do here is bicker, not listen, and rewrite definitions. Well, fuck that.
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No one knows owns knowledge. You are knowledge.
You do not and cannot exist except in relation to knowledge...the knowing of yourself.
You do not have to keep showing up to your own show.
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There is nothing outside of langauge...aka knowledge.
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*glub, glub*
Re: Failure of "I".
I does not define, but defining is I
The I cannot be objective, because an object is the I that does not define defining ..as knowledge known, and that which is known cannot know anything.
There is no I in an I to know. The I is the knowing...it knows because it doesn't know.
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Re: Failure of "I".
Two subjective observations of "I" as "I" observe "I" as objective in the respect "I" is agreed upon as "I". Objectivity is the canceling out of the subjective through the subjective negating itself under group agreement as a form of symmetry between subjective experiences.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:45 pmNo. The I's are just crossed, now.
I don't see how you suppose your views to be objective, when I know mine are not, try as i might. Any realist knows that they're views are subject to interpretation, and not objective reality.
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Re: Failure of "I".
That's not what you started with. Quit adding dimensions to it.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:24 pmTwo subjective observations of "I" as "I" observe "I" as objective in the respect "I" is agreed upon as "I". Objectivity is the canceling out of the subjective through the subjective negating itself under group agreement as a form of symmetry between subjective experiences.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:45 pmNo. The I's are just crossed, now.
I don't see how you suppose your views to be objective, when I know mine are not, try as i might. Any realist knows that they're views are subject to interpretation, and not objective reality.
Re: Failure of "I".
And others confirmation is also subjective.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 pmBoth statements are subjective, or rather, both the experience and the statement are subjective. External confirmation comes from others.
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Ramu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:52 pmAnd others confirmation is also subjective.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 pmBoth statements are subjective, or rather, both the experience and the statement are subjective. External confirmation comes from others.
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Re: Failure of "I".
It's still external confirmation.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:16 pmRamu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:52 pmAnd others confirmation is also subjective.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 pm
Both statements are subjective, or rather, both the experience and the statement are subjective. External confirmation comes from others.
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(Just focus on the sound of one hand clapping, DAM.)
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All confirmation comes from within...I really don't think you know your in from your out do you. The only way out of that dilemma is back in.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:26 pm
It's still external confirmation.
(Just focus on the sound of one hand clapping, DAM.)
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Re: Failure of "I".
Back in to nothingness, yes. I do actually. And yes, I know that's not what you meant. But fuck it.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:31 pmAll confirmation comes from within...I really don't think you know your in from your out do you. The only way out of that dilemma is back in.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:26 pm
It's still external confirmation.
(Just focus on the sound of one hand clapping, DAM.)
Later.
Re: Failure of "I".
There is no such place as nothingness.
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Re: Failure of "I".
But if "I" is its own dimension, and it relates to itself, it inevitably multiplies its own dimensionality.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:04 pmThat's not what you started with. Quit adding dimensions to it.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:24 pmTwo subjective observations of "I" as "I" observe "I" as objective in the respect "I" is agreed upon as "I". Objectivity is the canceling out of the subjective through the subjective negating itself under group agreement as a form of symmetry between subjective experiences.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:45 pm
No. The I's are just crossed, now.
I don't see how you suppose your views to be objective, when I know mine are not, try as i might. Any realist knows that they're views are subject to interpretation, and not objective reality.
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Re: Failure of "I".
"Not influence by personal feelings or opinions" however the group agreement of a statement determines it as objective fact as evidenced by the formation of the definition in the dictionary itself.Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 am ob·jec·tive
əbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral
The I is, by definition, not objective.
Anyway, I'm outta here. All anyone wants to do here is bicker, not listen, and rewrite definitions. Well, fuck that.
In a seperate respect, the "I" being observed without personal feeling or attachment in itself becomes objective.