Failure of "I".

uwot · Post by **uwot** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:08 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:02 pmI gave you the link

I looked, but it isn't an axiom.

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:11 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:08 pm I looked, but it isn't an axiom.

Would this qualify as an axiom in your mind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_( ... on_theory)

uwot · Post by **uwot** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:15 pm

This bit? "Information entropy is the average rate at which information is produced by a stochastic source of data."

SpheresOfBalance · Post by **SpheresOfBalance** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:22 pm Oh, but you DO buy it! And quite literally at that.
Sorry but, no I don't!

I bet you are paying for internet access (applied Information theory) - seeming as we are on an INTERNET forum. Which runs on COMPUTERS (more information theory).
Not information theory at all, rather electrical/electronic fact.

I bet you've probably used Google or Apple devices, which rely on machine learning algorithms. Which are optimised using this quantum computers (you know - that 'theoretical illusionary bullshit').
Sorry dude, but either your ignorance or lying is showing:

"As of 2018, the development of actual quantum computers is still in its infancy..." --wikipedia.com--
...which will enable the realization of fast and fault-tolerant universal quantum computers. --Science Daily.com--
"your source for the latest research news"
They don't exist yet dipshit! So now we know you're a fucking liar like all the other children that frequent this site! Grow up boy! I didn't sacrifice my life for 16 years to save dipshits like you from the soviet nuclear threat, just so you could try and make fools out of honest people so as to choke your chicken. Choke your chicken in the privacy of your own home, we seriously would prefer not to watch you play with it.

Good thing you hate the concept of money. People like me like people like you - thank you for paying for our lifestyle
You're a dumb ass too. Here let me spell it out to your slow ass: Philosophically, I don't like the concept of money, because it cheapens humanity, causing them to look like prehistoric monkeys that seek a glittering prize. It's all to do with the lust for power, and to have something, anything more than another, it's infantile when compared to the minds of the truly elite! Those that would supersede the common mindless rabble! The next thing on the evolutionary chain.

Nothing like being completely oblivious of your own performative contradictions.
You obviously had to be looking in the mirror when you coined that, as you exemplify, I'm truly sorry!

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:23 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 pm They don't exist yet dipshit! So now we know you're a fucking liar like all the other children that frequent this site!

https://www.dwavesys.com/home
https://www.youtube.com/user/dwavesystems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIJuMqc79w
https://www.popularmechanics.com/techno ... -computer/
https://www.engadget.com/2015/12/09/goo ... lly-works/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing ... -annealer/
https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/al ... ibms-lead/

Would you like me to teach you how to Google, or have I given you enough reading material already ?

Perhaps you ARE one of the children that frequent this site? Given that you are unable to fathom your own fallibility/ignorance as a plausible hypothesis.

The phrase "I don't know!". Say it! Scream it at the top of your lungs! It's liberating.

P.S Given my scientific acumen I predict denial or a "no true scotsman" fallacy coming!

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:50 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:15 pm This bit? "Information entropy is the average rate at which information is produced by a stochastic source of data."

The whole notion of "entropy" is axiomatic. The stochastic data source - that be "the universe". The thing we don't know, but are trying to understand. The black box ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box )
The measurement apparatus - that be me.
Hypothesis testing through experimental results/falsification that be Bayesian inference.

It's all different facets of applied systems theory (colloquially known as science) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box#System_theory

SpheresOfBalance · Post by **SpheresOfBalance** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:12 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:23 pm
SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 pm They don't exist yet dipshit! So now we know you're a fucking liar like all the other children that frequent this site!
https://www.dwavesys.com/home
https://www.youtube.com/user/dwavesystems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIJuMqc79w
https://www.popularmechanics.com/techno ... -computer/
https://www.engadget.com/2015/12/09/goo ... lly-works/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing ... -annealer/
https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/al ... ibms-lead/

Would you like me to teach you how to Google, or have I given you enough reading material already ?

Perhaps you ARE one of the children that frequent this site? Given that you are unable to fathom your own fallibility/ignorance as a plausible hypothesis.

The phrase "I don't know!". Say it! Scream it at the top of your lungs! It's liberating.

P.S Given my scientific acumen I predict denial or a "no true scotsman" fallacy coming!

You're a dumbass to believe everything you read or hear someone talk about, and youtube, seriously you've got to be kidding me. 50% of stuff on youtube is just so much horse shit.

Sorry but I checked the dates of all your links and they are ALL older than mine. So sorry dumb-ass better luck next time. Also you said that what I relied upon in my computing footprint was overseen by quantum computing, yet have shown no proof of that being the case either. Sorry but like so many other children on this site it's a fail my boy. There's an old saying:

Believe none of what you're told and only half of what you believe you see. You have no idea what JTB is do you, and what about the farmer's cow thought experiment.

You're definitely a dipshit in my book.

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:20 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:12 pm
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:23 pm
SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 pm They don't exist yet dipshit! So now we know you're a fucking liar like all the other children that frequent this site!
https://www.dwavesys.com/home
https://www.youtube.com/user/dwavesystems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIJuMqc79w
https://www.popularmechanics.com/techno ... -computer/
https://www.engadget.com/2015/12/09/goo ... lly-works/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing ... -annealer/
https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/al ... ibms-lead/

Would you like me to teach you how to Google, or have I given you enough reading material already ?

Perhaps you ARE one of the children that frequent this site? Given that you are unable to fathom your own fallibility/ignorance as a plausible hypothesis.

The phrase "I don't know!". Say it! Scream it at the top of your lungs! It's liberating.

P.S Given my scientific acumen I predict denial or a "no true scotsman" fallacy coming!
You're a dumbass to believe everything you read or hear someone talk about, and youtube, seriously you've got to be kidding me. 50% of stuff on youtube is just so much horse shit.

Sorry but I checked the dates of all your links and they are ALL older than mine. So sorry dumb-ass better luck next time. Also you said that what I relied upon in my computing footprint was overseen by quantum computing, yet have shown no proof of that being the case either. Sorry but like so many other children on this site it's a fail my boy. There's an old saying:

Believe none of what you're told and only half of what you believe you see. You have no idea what JTB is do you, and what about the farmer's cow thought experiment.

You're definitely a dipshit in my book.

Called it!

Check here for more info: https://chemtrailwatch.com/

uwot · Post by **uwot** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:32 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:50 pmThe whole notion of "entropy" is axiomatic.

Except the bits which are empirically demonstrable.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:50 pmHypothesis testing through experimental results/falsification that be Bayesian inference.

Well, that's the thing: you cannot falsify 'there is experience'.

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:36 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:32 pm Except the bits which are empirically demonstrable.

Oh. They are? Show me a bit.

You cant falsify information either.

uwot · Post by **uwot** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:38 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:36 pm
uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:32 pm Except the bits which are empirically demonstrable.
Oh. They are? Show me a bit.

The milk in your tea.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:36 pmYou cant falsify information either.

Well, that's because information is anything that is the case.

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:01 am

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:38 pm The milk in your tea.

I see the milk and I see the tea. Where is the bit?

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:38 pm Well, that's because information is anything that is the case.

Yes. That is what axiomatic means. It is accepted as true without evidence.

uwot · Post by **uwot** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:05 am

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:01 am
uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:38 pm The milk in your tea.
I see the milk and I see the tea. Where is the bit?

I think you are talking about a different kind of bit.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:01 am
uwot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:38 pm Well, that's because information is anything that is the case.
Yes. That is what axiomatic means. It is accepted as true without evidence.

Well, the clever thing about Descartes is that he discovered an axiom which absolutely any evidence confirms. He was aware that any inference drawn is theory-laden. It could be that he was hallucinating, or being deceived by an evil demon and that applies to any bit of information, except that there is a perception of that information.

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:12 am

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:05 am I think you are talking about a different kind of bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informati ... ion_source

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:05 am Well, the clever thing about Descartes is that he discovered an axiom which absolutely any evidence confirms.

That is hardly anything to brag about. It is also an axiom that no evidence can falsify.

1=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundationalism

I am not (no longer?) a foundationalist.

TimeSeeker · Post by **TimeSeeker** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:17 am

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:05 am Well, the clever thing about Descartes is that he discovered an axiom which absolutely any evidence confirms. He was aware that any inference drawn is theory-laden. It could be that he was hallucinating, or being deceived by an evil demon and that applies to any bit of information, except that there is a perception of that information.

In actual fact it is very ego-centric (which is hugely problematic). It pre-supposes the mind comes first. Ignorant of the fact that you are a product of the universe. And evolution. And other humans.

It ignores time and causality.

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