You're bringing up like 20 different issues here, at least, which makes classifying all of this under the term "dream" murkier than it was.Angelo Cannata wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:19 pm Terrapin, is it so difficult to extend the meaning of a dream? For example, whenever we behave according to false information, we are like in a dream. I put my keys in the locker of a car and after a few seconds I realize that it isn’t my car, but another one identical to mine. Life gives me a lot of money, so I think that I’m better than other people, but actually it’s just my selfishness. I think that the existence has no meaning, but later I realize that it was just because some unpleasant things had happened to me. Aren’t these dreams? Anything we think about is conditioned by our body, our personal history, culture, language, biology. Don’t these things makes us living in dreams? A woman looks at herself and she thinks she’s beautiful, but later she realized it was just her need making her think this way. We can make billions of example showing that our entire existence is made by dreams, it is a dream.
Is there anything you can say about “No, this isn’t a dream, this isn’t conditioned by anything in my mind”?
In a nutshell, the theme here, though, is basically just "Can we get beliefs wrong?" And the answer is, "Yes, of course we can."
But, the only way that we can have any inkling of getting a belief wrong is via being able to also get beliefs right. Otherwise we'd never have grounds for saying we got any belief wrong. So that necessarily implies that we get beliefs right, too. Otherwise this whole line of thinking is a non-starter.