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Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:23 am

They really do. For example, they have the right to trespass on your property such as squirrels may do. They have the right to steal from your property such as raccoons may do when they steal your garbage. They have the right to urinate and defecate on your property. None of these a human being in general may do. Why do you think that is?

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:55 am

Humans are allowed to trespass on their property and take away their habitat.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:38 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: โ†‘
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Humans are allowed to trespass on their property and take away their habitat.
In the example I brought up, I meant outsiders who don't own the property.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Bill Wiltrack » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:19 am

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....................................................may be wrong but, I thought humans are animals?...





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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:23 am

Bill Wiltrack wrote: โ†‘
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....................................................may be wrong but, I thought humans are animals?...





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You're supposed to be brighter than that. You mean you read past the examples of nonhumans. Keep living in ignorance.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:45 am

Bill Wiltrack wrote: โ†‘
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:19 am
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....................................................may be wrong but, I thought humans are animals?...





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Many of them are vegetables.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Bill Wiltrack » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:22 pm

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I'm gunna stick with, Humans ARE animals.








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...me thinks you may be over thinkin this one...ya may be over philosophizin.





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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:50 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: โ†‘
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:45 am
Bill Wiltrack wrote: โ†‘
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:19 am
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....................................................may be wrong but, I thought humans are animals?...





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Many of them are vegetables.
How does this relate to the OP?

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 am

Bill Wiltrack wrote: โ†‘
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:22 pm
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I'm gunna stick with, Humans ARE animals.








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...me thinks you may be over thinkin this one...ya may be over philosophizin.





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How does this relate to animal rights? Better start your own thread and watch out for trolling.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Greta » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:11 am

It's not that nonhuman animals have extra rights so much as they are unable to comprehend human restrictions and are thus given leeway, since the alternative would effectively be annihilation.

However, to a fair extent this line of thought stems from the problem of other minds. Many times I would alight the crowded bus home after a horrible day in the office and look up enviously at birds flying free overhead. It didn't occur to me that some may have been fleeing from attack, or perhaps looking for a new nest after being displaced, or struggling to find enough food to keep their chicks healthy etc.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:22 am

Greta wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:11 am
It's not that nonhuman animals have extra rights so much as they are unable to comprehend human restrictions and are thus given leeway, since the alternative would effectively be annihilation.

However, to a fair extent this line of thought stems from the problem of other minds. Many times I would alight the crowded bus home after a horrible day in the office and look up enviously at birds flying free overhead. It didn't occur to me that some may have been fleeing from attack, or perhaps looking for a new nest after being displaced, or struggling to find enough food to keep their chicks healthy etc.
That's another interpretation. Still doesn't mean that nonhuman animals don't have extra rights. And some animals can comprehend human restrictions through training ("stay Fido" "woof woof"). I've had a collie who I never saw before give me her paw (she wasn't trained to be friendly to me).

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Greta » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:54 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:22 am
Greta wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:11 am
It's not that nonhuman animals have extra rights so much as they are unable to comprehend human restrictions and are thus given leeway, since the alternative would effectively be annihilation.

However, to a fair extent this line of thought stems from the problem of other minds. Many times I would alight the crowded bus home after a horrible day in the office and look up enviously at birds flying free overhead. It didn't occur to me that some may have been fleeing from attack, or perhaps looking for a new nest after being displaced, or struggling to find enough food to keep their chicks healthy etc.
That's another interpretation. Still doesn't mean that nonhuman animals don't have extra rights. And some animals can comprehend human restrictions through training ("stay Fido" "woof woof"). I've had a collie who I never saw before give me her paw (she wasn't trained to be friendly to me).
Thing is, nonhuman animals have many less rights - they have zero say in their welfare, no lobbying power and no money. They may or may not be able to eke out a territory in the wildlife scraps still remaining, but increasingly they are being forced into human domains, where you wonder about the fairness of them being given temporary entry rights to people's properties as they search for a place to live and feed.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:12 am

Greta wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:54 am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:22 am
Greta wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:11 am
It's not that nonhuman animals have extra rights so much as they are unable to comprehend human restrictions and are thus given leeway, since the alternative would effectively be annihilation.

However, to a fair extent this line of thought stems from the problem of other minds. Many times I would alight the crowded bus home after a horrible day in the office and look up enviously at birds flying free overhead. It didn't occur to me that some may have been fleeing from attack, or perhaps looking for a new nest after being displaced, or struggling to find enough food to keep their chicks healthy etc.
That's another interpretation. Still doesn't mean that nonhuman animals don't have extra rights. And some animals can comprehend human restrictions through training ("stay Fido" "woof woof"). I've had a collie who I never saw before give me her paw (she wasn't trained to be friendly to me).
Thing is, nonhuman animals have many less rights - they have zero say in their welfare, no lobbying power and no money. They may or may not be able to eke out a territory in the wildlife scraps still remaining, but increasingly they are being forced into human domains, where you wonder about the fairness of them being given temporary entry rights to people's properties as they search for a place to live and feed.
OTOH some animals do better under humans than they would on their own - getting fed and cared for. It's true in general they don't have a voice in how they're treated, but it can be made up for in other ways. It's how you look at it.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Greta » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:57 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:12 am
Greta wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:54 am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:22 am


That's another interpretation. Still doesn't mean that nonhuman animals don't have extra rights. And some animals can comprehend human restrictions through training ("stay Fido" "woof woof"). I've had a collie who I never saw before give me her paw (she wasn't trained to be friendly to me).
Thing is, nonhuman animals have many less rights - they have zero say in their welfare, no lobbying power and no money. They may or may not be able to eke out a territory in the wildlife scraps still remaining, but increasingly they are being forced into human domains, where you wonder about the fairness of them being given temporary entry rights to people's properties as they search for a place to live and feed.
OTOH some animals do better under humans than they would on their own - getting fed and cared for. It's true in general they don't have a voice in how they're treated, but it can be made up for in other ways. It's how you look at it.
That is only because humans have taken or destroyed the resources that were once much more plentiful.

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Re: Animals have more rights

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:07 am

Greta wrote: โ†‘
Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:57 am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:12 am
Greta wrote: โ†‘
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:54 am

Thing is, nonhuman animals have many less rights - they have zero say in their welfare, no lobbying power and no money. They may or may not be able to eke out a territory in the wildlife scraps still remaining, but increasingly they are being forced into human domains, where you wonder about the fairness of them being given temporary entry rights to people's properties as they search for a place to live and feed.
OTOH some animals do better under humans than they would on their own - getting fed and cared for. It's true in general they don't have a voice in how they're treated, but it can be made up for in other ways. It's how you look at it.
That is only because humans have taken or destroyed the resources that were once much more plentiful.
Is that a reason or an excuse?

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