jayjacobus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:49 pmI didn't say that quite right. Let me restate the last two sentences. Events through the senses create experiences. Without events there won't be anything to experience and without senses there won't be any represetations to experience.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 pmQualia is the consciousness' reaction to a sense but a sense is a frame of reference for reality. This is why we have senses. We need references to understand reality. Neither does matter create experience. But it is the referrent(s) for the senses.
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Aha hallucination. Hallucination is the result of your brain activity. You can distinguish between hallucination and something real. Could the chair you are sitting on it right now be a hallucination?Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:42 pm"something" could be a hallucination...bahman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 amDo you believe that nothing can affect you?Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:43 am
all you have is the impression, that does not prove externality...
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Senses are apparatus which connect us to reality. That is brain which either creates experience or qualia.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 pmQualia is the consciousness' reaction to a sense but a sense is a frame of reference for reality. This is why we have senses. We need references to understand reality. Neither does matter create experience. But it is the referrent(s) for the senses.
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The brain creates senses which are neither experience nor qualia and that can be determined in any dictionary.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:07 pmSenses are apparatus which connect us to reality. That is brain which either creates experience or qualia.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 pmQualia is the consciousness' reaction to a sense but a sense is a frame of reference for reality. This is why we have senses. We need references to understand reality. Neither does matter create experience. But it is the referrent(s) for the senses.
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it could be a dreambahman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:01 pmAha hallucination. Hallucination is the result of your brain activity. You can distinguish between hallucination and something real. Could the chair you are sitting on it right now be a hallucination?
one only has access to the impression, not the thing in itself
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The impression is a representation of SOMEthing.
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Brain create sense of something. There is however an apparatus which connect brain to the environment. So you believe that brain directly creates experience. Why?jayjacobus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:33 pmThe brain creates senses which are neither experience nor qualia and that can be determined in any dictionary.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:07 pmSenses are apparatus which connect us to reality. That is brain which either creates experience or qualia.jayjacobus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:33 pm
Qualia is the consciousness' reaction to a sense but a sense is a frame of reference for reality. This is why we have senses. We need references to understand reality. Neither does matter create experience. But it is the referrent(s) for the senses.
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Could you please answer to the following question instead of repeating your position? Can you get affected by nothing?Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:23 amit could be a dream
one only has access to the impression, not the thing in itself
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Yes.
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impressions of space and time can affect those on which they impressbahman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:55 pmCould you please answer to the following question instead of repeating your position? Can you get affected by nothing?Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:23 amit could be a dream
one only has access to the impression, not the thing in itself
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the only access is to the impression
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We are reasoning here. I agree that we don't have direct access to reality. But reality should be something and not nothing. Therefore reality exists.Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:20 pmimpressions of space and time can affect those on which they impressbahman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:55 pmCould you please answer to the following question instead of repeating your position? Can you get affected by nothing?Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:23 am
it could be a dream
one only has access to the impression, not the thing in itself
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the only access is to the impression
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solipsism - yes. nothing more can be known in this life.Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:21 pmactually, it doesn't
you have perceptions, nothing besides
are your perceptions of an external thing? prove it
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so "they" say.
no you can't.
to think you can only shows you've never been under the influence of an halucingen.
"reality" changes for a few hours.
sure can.
you are me just talking to me - all i see/hear/smell/feel/etc is a product of my "mind" (being - right here right now), including that chair you claim as "real".
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that is Faith talking.
note another faith in a distiction of the two above and that the latter actually "Exists" (per your faith) outside yourself (myself of course)