However, if you have a split personality, then I can see where you can lie to yourself, where one of the personalities tells the other personalities a lie.
Do you agree?
PhilX
Yes, Skip.
But I don't think anyone could have a split personality because like what would it mean? If you take psychopaths for example, they know that they are evil relishing another's pain and giving people pain 'cause they find it enjoyable, and if you consider the case of Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and it's one person but depicting two personalities two characters, then it's not like something split, it's like liking mangoes but liking oranges too. Let's say there is something like a split personality, so then the person knows about his other personality so then there could be no lying to self even there. PhilX, I think what you really really want to find out is - can you make yourself believe that - you like that and not that, you are that and not that etc. I mean to say that we would all like to think good and high of ourselves, problem arises when we are not, and I think that what you want to know is if a person is not so high, good, nice, pretty and so on but would like to believe so, then do many or most people do that or not? It's not anything about split personalities. I don't think any such thing exists. Also, yes most people would like to think better of themselves than they are and they do, and that is not being split personality.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:09 am If you attempt to lie to yourself, you shouldn't succeed because you would know it's a lie.
However, if you have a split personality, then I can see where you can lie to yourself, where one of the personalities tells the other personalities a lie.
Do you agree?
PhilX![]()
Yes, when there is a conflict between your belief and your interest/need.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:09 am If you attempt to lie to yourself, you shouldn't succeed because you would know it's a lie.
However, if you have a split personality, then I can see where you can lie to yourself, where one of the personalities tells the other personalities a lie.
Do you agree?
PhilX![]()
bullshit.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:09 am If you attempt to lie to yourself, you shouldn't succeed because you would know it's a lie.
dissasotiative (sp) - dylexic - you can figure it out, dissorder is real ( a product of early sexual abuse) - but not relavent to the Ostich game - most "normal" folks play it all the time - with great effect.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:09 am that leaves the easy way of the 80-percent - via classic denial and tranfurance (condeming others over your own sub-demons (playing bully)). which the majority play.
lying to oneself is a full time battle - even for the self actualized!!!!!!!!!!!!Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:09 am However, if you have a split personality, then I can see where you can lie to yourself, where one of the personalities tells the other personalities a lie.
Do you agree?
PhilX![]()
yep agree fully.uwot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:16 am Well, there are all sorts of psychological defence mechanisms that shield people from unpalatable truths. More generally, people don't exactly like to themselves, but they accept premises of questionable soundness and develop a worldview based on that. Often they will support their beliefs with the flimsiest of evidence and invent stories for why much stronger contradictory evidence is invalid.
Skip wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:55 pm All humans can lie to themselves. It's a property of the multi-lobed brain to be able to sequester conflicting or contradictory knowledge in separate compartments. Thus, it is possible for a scientist to believe in the supernatural, for a Christian to enrich himself to the detriment of fellow parishioners, for a good citizen to cheat on his taxes, for a good husband to cheat on his wife, for an animal lover to eat lamb at Easter.
Some people are more adept at self-deception than others, and some periods of life are more susceptible to delusion.
lol.................i suspect you are right, count me out on that practice though.
duszek wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 2:22 pmYes, Skip.
But why is this person trying to convince himself of something at all ?
Why this effort of self-conviction ?
This question needs to be answered too, somehow at least.
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why you taking them as an example - they lack moral compass for other reasons.
this is true - due for whatver reason, psychopath's lack a brain that give pleasure in the normal events of the day, and they have to do to extemes - like torcure/or similar - for the less afflicted maybe a simple burgury/shoplifting will make them "feel alive".