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So many things in the past everyone believed to be factual turned out to be false or eventually new knowledge came along and so we had to edit what they believed to be true.For most people it's a waste of time acquiring knowledge. Obviously when it comes to people like scientists it's great that they try to learn new things and discover new knowledge we didn't know before.

Why should I learn about something that won't improve my life other than to quench my curiosity, is there any point or am I just wasting the limited time I have of being alive. I think that any topic/subject you can think of, it will probably be either disproven or revised. Imagine spending years or countless hours looking into something that your interested in only to find out that it is false or that you had a incomplete understanding of it.

Basically what I'm trying to say is why should we the non scientists/inventors strive to acquire knowledge. For most people it's a waste of time learning about stuff that doesn't improve or benefit their life in some way, especially knowing that it will be refuted or revised.
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death wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:41 pm So many things in the past everyone believed to be factual turned out to be false or eventually new knowledge came along and so we had to edit what they believed to be true.For most people it's a waste of time acquiring knowledge. Obviously when it comes to people like scientists it's great that they try to learn new things and discover new knowledge we didn't know before.

Why should I learn about something that won't improve my life other than to quench my curiosity, is there any point or am I just wasting the limited time I have of being alive. I think that any topic/subject you can think of, it will probably be either disproven or revised. Imagine spending years or countless hours looking into something that your interested in only to find out that it is false or that you had a incomplete understanding of it.

Basically what I'm trying to say is why should we the non scientists/inventors strive to acquire knowledge. For most people it's a waste of time learning about stuff that doesn't improve or benefit their life in some way, especially knowing that it will be refuted or revised.
And what would improve your life?
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The very process of learning, and re-learning, produces benefits beyond the topic being examined.
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To begin, I'd like to note that I, too, have personally noticed these changes in what was once believed to be indisputable fact, but now are shown as being incorrect, flawed and often being completely overturned and / or rewritten - and I've noticed these, with increasingly frequency throughout the years.

Another relevant occurrence that I've noticed throughout the years, particularly whenever discussing topics of philosophy and upon a philosophic platform with many of my peers and acquaintances, is for a few, or more, of them, at some point or another, to have deduce of a similar opinion to that of your own. The most memorable of these, being along the lines of: "we could just sit here and talk about things and ideas for years and years, like the Human civilization has been doing for millennia - and we'd never get anywhere, we'd never gain or lose anything, or reach any definitive conclusion and / or solutions"

Mind you, this was a highly intelligent friend of mine who had previously completed many college courses in philosophy, and always seemed to have expressed genuine interests for and towards such (philosophical) conversational topics and subjects..

At first, I somewhat tried to sympathize and empathize with the idea, and, if not that - at the very least, I gave my best attempt to entertain it for what it is; for what he meant by it.

The conclusion I've reached is that, despite any of the possible uprising factors which may dissuade us from our pursuit of knowledge, and regardless of how, seemingly, credible or valid these arguments for why time spent in this pursuit is of any sort of 'waste', you must look beyond that, and you must find the reasons for why this pursuit is important.. for why it isn't a waste of time.. The reasons which supersede these factors, and their arguments.

And I could continue to elaborate and extrapolate as to the nature of the reasons which, I find, supersede and far outweigh any provoking thoughts or ideas that challenge the importance and / or significance of philosophy and our pursuit for knowledge.. However, I don't quite believe it could've been worded anymore accurately and utterly concise as commonsense has put it:
commonsense wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:05 am The very process of learning, and re-learning, produces benefits beyond the topic being examined.
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commonsense wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:05 am The very process of learning, and re-learning, produces benefits beyond the topic being examined.
What kind of benefits?
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soon enough, all "knowledge" will become "believe the box"

why think? google has the answer...

utopia

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death wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:35 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:05 am The very process of learning, and re-learning, produces benefits beyond the topic being examined.
What kind of benefits?
Thanks for asking!

Offhand, I would reference an improvement in critical thinking, intellectual organization, the ability to acquire (and reacquire) knowledge, the appreciation of classic works of literature and art (and, thereby, gaining a sense of commonality with learners of different times and community with cohort learners), an understanding of affective intelligence and physical skills, which derive from cerebral activity, to name some examples that come to mind.
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If you are worried about your knowledge becoming obsolete, then simply spend your time studying physics. The physics theories that make accurate predictions today will always be a part of physics. We can see this when we look at Newtonian mechanics versus relativity. What happens to the relativistic equations in the limit? They reduce to the Newtonian equations. This would have to occur, since Newtonian mechanics is just too accurate in too many situations for it to be completely off-base. In the same way we know that if we move beyond quantum mechanics and relativity that the new theory would still have its equations reducing to those we now use in quantum mechanics and relativity, which have proven far too accurate to be completely off-base. So, certain mathematical structures of what you learn in physics shall remain, even as new physics is developed.

Also, porn never seems to go completely out of style either.
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Without knowledge amongst the masses an informed vote is impossible. The danger here is that an uninformed public might vote in a tyrannical and unethical hack by mistaking bluster and bullying for substance and strength ... and this could actually happen some time in the future :lol:
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death wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:41 pm So many things in the past everyone believed to be factual turned out to be false or eventually new knowledge came along and so we had to edit what they believed to be true.For most people it's a waste of time acquiring knowledge. Obviously when it comes to people like scientists it's great that they try to learn new things and discover new knowledge we didn't know before.

Why should I learn about something that won't improve my life other than to quench my curiosity, is there any point or am I just wasting the limited time I have of being alive. I think that any topic/subject you can think of, it will probably be either disproven or revised. Imagine spending years or countless hours looking into something that your interested in only to find out that it is false or that you had a incomplete understanding of it.

Basically what I'm trying to say is why should we the non scientists/inventors strive to acquire knowledge. For most people it's a waste of time learning about stuff that doesn't improve or benefit their life in some way, especially knowing that it will be refuted or revised.
This is like asking a person what creates the joy in chess. It is useless knowledge so why play? Apparently winning positions are always being revised. Now that is a real question for psychology. It is related to the human learned need for prestige and the struggle to acquire it that leads to the "win." Useless knowledge can make men happy. Why not enjoy?
Dr. Siegbert Tarrasch wrote: "Chess is a form of intellectual productiveness, therein lies, its peculiar charm. Intellectual productiveness is one of the greatest joys -if not the greatest one- of human existence. It is not everyone who can write a play, or build a bridge, or even make a good joke. But in chess everyone can, everyone must, be intellectually productive and so can share in this select delight. I have always a slight feeling of pity for the man who has no knowledge of chess, just as I would pity for the man who has no knowledge of love. Chess, like love, like music, has the power to make men happy."
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I wish I could give Greta's comment a thumbs up.
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Science Fan wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:31 am I wish I could give Greta's comment a thumbs up.
Do you mean that you don't like Greta's comment or that you do?
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commonsense wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:48 pm
Science Fan wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:31 am I wish I could give Greta's comment a thumbs up.
Do you mean that you don't like Greta's comment or that you do?
Finger language is very precise. Raising the middle finger as opposed to the thumb has a different meaning.
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Commonsense: I liked Greta's comment, which is why I stated I wish I could have given it a thumbs up. It was well said and made me laugh as well.
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death wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:41 pm So many things in the past everyone believed to be factual turned out to be false or eventually new knowledge came along and so we had to edit what they believed to be true.For most people it's a waste of time acquiring knowledge. Obviously when it comes to people like scientists it's great that they try to learn new things and discover new knowledge we didn't know before.

Why should I learn about something that won't improve my life other than to quench my curiosity, is there any point or am I just wasting the limited time I have of being alive. I think that any topic/subject you can think of, it will probably be either disproven or revised. Imagine spending years or countless hours looking into something that your interested in only to find out that it is false or that you had a incomplete understanding of it.

Basically what I'm trying to say is why should we the non scientists/inventors strive to acquire knowledge. For most people it's a waste of time learning about stuff that doesn't improve or benefit their life in some way, especially knowing that it will be refuted or revised.
BOSCH!!!!!!!!!

for the last 25 years thanks to the internet we have had the Oricle of Delphi at our fingertips!

all knowledge via the net - wiki/etc.

anyone can learn anything from STEM to history to basket weaving!

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now given that access all i see are facefker and Twitter twats, wasting time instead of gaining knowledge and wisdom from the same source - the internet!

so stop belly aching and go out and learn stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its all there!

unlike only 30 yr ago when it was NOT!!!!!!!!!!
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