Infanticide

[henry quirk]

Yeah, I'll pass.

[Nick_A]

Yeah, I'll pass.

You will be shunned by the educated elite who know that eternal values do not exist so a mother is justified in killing this creature which was inside her without having any objective value. Is that what you want?

[henry quirk]

Fuck 'em.

[Nick_A]

Fuck 'em.

And if the act of fucking produces a baby would you feel justified in killing it as a response to another?

[Nick_A]

Greta wrote concerning me:

You don't give a damn about people dying or child welfare.

How about you? You don't believe in a Source for eternal values and only concern yourself with subjective societal values. That being the case, since a baby has no objective values and is completely dependent, are you in favor of its mother being free to kill it as an annoyance when it is a week old? If not, why not?

[henry quirk]

Answered that up-thread.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Infanticide

the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.

I’ve learned that many secularists on this site do not believe in objective eternal values. How can there be if there is no Source of existence within which eternal values originate? Consequently we either create our own subjective values or allow the state to enforce its subjective values by law.

From this perspective is there any reason to be against infanticide? If there is no objective value, there can be no objective difference in value of a late term fetus and a week old baby. They are both equally dependent creatures with no objective right to life. So if the mother doesn’t want it, why shouldn’t she kill it? She has created her own reality which states that this week old creature has no objective worth. Is she wrong? How can she be if respect for life as an eternal value is just imagination?

Should subjective societal laws be changed to allow a woman to kill her one week old baby since it lacks objective eternal value and is now just an inconvenience? If not, why not?

You aren't allowed to kill one week old babies, moron.

[Nick_A]

Infanticide

the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.

I’ve learned that many secularists on this site do not believe in objective eternal values. How can there be if there is no Source of existence within which eternal values originate? Consequently we either create our own subjective values or allow the state to enforce its subjective values by law.

From this perspective is there any reason to be against infanticide? If there is no objective value, there can be no objective difference in value of a late term fetus and a week old baby. They are both equally dependent creatures with no objective right to life. So if the mother doesn’t want it, why shouldn’t she kill it? She has created her own reality which states that this week old creature has no objective worth. Is she wrong? How can she be if respect for life as an eternal value is just imagination?

Should subjective societal laws be changed to allow a woman to kill her one week old baby since it lacks objective eternal value and is now just an inconvenience? If not, why not?

You aren't allowed to kill one week old babies, moron.

Why not? Has the Great Beast become the final authority in your life? You don't believe in a source for eternal values. So just create your own reality. Are you that weak that you let the laws of society really determine your sense of right and wrong. Just kill the annoyance so you won't get caught and you won't have a problem.

[Greta]

LOL Nick, you are the champion pitchfork wielder of the forum, and your targets are always "secularists" and women. You target and judge and pick and attack someone CONSTANTLY. I expect that if you did a Meyer Briggs test your J/P score would be 99/1. You seem incapable of perceiving anything without finding fault and assigning blame.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I’ve learned that many secularists on this site do not believe in objective eternal values. How can there be if there is no Source of existence within which eternal values originate? Consequently we either create our own subjective values or allow the state to enforce its subjective values by law.

From this perspective is there any reason to be against infanticide? If there is no objective value, there can be no objective difference in value of a late term fetus and a week old baby. They are both equally dependent creatures with no objective right to life. So if the mother doesn’t want it, why shouldn’t she kill it? She has created her own reality which states that this week old creature has no objective worth. Is she wrong? How can she be if respect for life as an eternal value is just imagination?

Should subjective societal laws be changed to allow a woman to kill her one week old baby since it lacks objective eternal value and is now just an inconvenience? If not, why not?

You aren't allowed to kill one week old babies, moron.

Why not? Has the Great Beast become the final authority in your life? You don't believe in a source for eternal values. So just create your own reality. Are you that weak that you let the laws of society really determine your sense of right and wrong. Just kill the annoyance so you won't get caught and you won't have a problem.

Too deep for you. I understand. You can't help your upbringing.

[Nick_A]

LOL Nick, you are the champion pitchfork wielder of the forum, and your targets are always "secularists" and women. You target and judge and pick and attack someone CONSTANTLY. I expect that if you did a Meyer Briggs test your J/P score would be 99/1. You seem incapable of perceiving anything without finding fault and assigning blame.

This is just silly. What is there to attack about a woman with a good mind, a quality heart, and a cute butt?

However, Greta introduces a more serious problem. She appears unable to distinguish between a cause and effect. She continually complains about effects as causes for the world situation. It is as if Trump was actually the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

She is not alone. For example, there was a recent brutal shooting of high school students so people attack guns. Is the gun a cause or a result of the collective loss of objective meaning? Philosophy should theoretically help us to open to the objective cause of the collective world situation but has devolved into the means for arguing effects. Jacob Needleman in his book “The American Soul” IMO provides an excellent description of the normal tendency to confuse results with causes. Those like Greta will continue to argue effects and blame someone like Trump. Yet those who are really open to philosophy as the love of wisdom realize that the value of philosophy is being sacrificed to provide egoistic satisfaction rather than wisdom. Perhaps if we were open to the potential for philosophy the question of infanticide wouldn’t appear so odd and offensive.

Our world, so we see and hear on all sides, is drowning in materialism, commercialism, consumerism. But the problem is not really there. What we ordinarily speak of as materialism is a result, not a cause. The root of materialism is a poverty of ideas about the inner and outer world. Less and less does our contemporary culture have, or even seek, commerce with great ideas, and it is the lack that is weakening the human spirit. This is the essence of materialism. Materialism is a disease of the mind starved for ideas.

Throughout history ideas of a certain kind have been disseminated into the life of humanity in order to help human beings understand and feel the possibility of the deep inner change that would enable them to serve the purpose for which they were created, namely, to act in the world as conscious individual instruments of God, and the ultimate principle of reality and value. Ideas of this kind are formulated in order to have a specific range of action on the human psych: to touch the heart as well as the intellect; to shock us into questioning our present understanding; to point us to the greatness around us in nature and the universe, and the potential greatness slumbering within ourselves; to open our eyes to the real needs of our neighbor; to confront us with our own profound ignorance and our criminal fears and egoism; to show us that we are not here for ourselves alone, but as necessary particles of divine love.

These are the contours of the ancient wisdom, considered as ideas embodied in religious and philosophical doctrines, works of sacred art, literature and music and, in a very fundamental way, an indication of practical methods by which a man or woman can work, as is said, to become what he or she really is. Without feeling the full range of such ideas, or sensing even a modest, but pure, trace of them, we are bound to turn for meaning.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

LOL Nick, you are the champion pitchfork wielder of the forum, and your targets are always "secularists" and women. You target and judge and pick and attack someone CONSTANTLY. I expect that if you did a Meyer Briggs test your J/P score would be 99/1. You seem incapable of perceiving anything without finding fault and assigning blame.

This is just silly. What is there to attack about a woman with a good mind, a quality heart, and a cute butt?

However, Greta introduces a more serious problem. She appears unable to distinguish between a cause and effect. She continually complains about effects as causes for the world situation. It is as if Trump was actually the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

She is not alone. For example, there was a recent brutal shooting of high school students so people attack guns. Is the gun a cause or a result of the collective loss of objective meaning? Philosophy should theoretically help us to open to the objective cause of the collective world situation but has devolved into the means for arguing effects. Jacob Needleman in his book “The American Soul” IMO provides an excellent description of the normal tendency to confuse results with causes. Those like Greta will continue to argue effects and blame someone like Trump. Yet those who are really open to philosophy as the love of wisdom realize that the value of philosophy is being sacrificed to provide egoistic satisfaction rather than wisdom. Perhaps if we were open to the potential for philosophy the question of infanticide wouldn’t appear so odd and offensive.

Our world, so we see and hear on all sides, is drowning in materialism, commercialism, consumerism. But the problem is not really there. What we ordinarily speak of as materialism is a result, not a cause. The root of materialism is a poverty of ideas about the inner and outer world. Less and less does our contemporary culture have, or even seek, commerce with great ideas, and it is the lack that is weakening the human spirit. This is the essence of materialism. Materialism is a disease of the mind starved for ideas.

Throughout history ideas of a certain kind have been disseminated into the life of humanity in order to help human beings understand and feel the possibility of the deep inner change that would enable them to serve the purpose for which they were created, namely, to act in the world as conscious individual instruments of God, and the ultimate principle of reality and value. Ideas of this kind are formulated in order to have a specific range of action on the human psych: to touch the heart as well as the intellect; to shock us into questioning our present understanding; to point us to the greatness around us in nature and the universe, and the potential greatness slumbering within ourselves; to open our eyes to the real needs of our neighbor; to confront us with our own profound ignorance and our criminal fears and egoism; to show us that we are not here for ourselves alone, but as necessary particles of divine love.

These are the contours of the ancient wisdom, considered as ideas embodied in religious and philosophical doctrines, works of sacred art, literature and music and, in a very fundamental way, an indication of practical methods by which a man or woman can work, as is said, to become what he or she really is. Without feeling the full range of such ideas, or sensing even a modest, but pure, trace of them, we are bound to turn for meaning.

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Just another bog-standard yank 'pro-lifer' who is pro gun. What a bore you are, and too thick to recognise irony when it's punching you repeatedly in the face. You are pathetically transparent.
As far as the US goes, abortion should be compulsory. Abortion medication should be added to the water supply-- like fluoride.

[Nick_A]

LOL Nick, you are the champion pitchfork wielder of the forum, and your targets are always "secularists" and women. You target and judge and pick and attack someone CONSTANTLY. I expect that if you did a Meyer Briggs test your J/P score would be 99/1. You seem incapable of perceiving anything without finding fault and assigning blame.

This is just silly. What is there to attack about a woman with a good mind, a quality heart, and a cute butt?

However, Greta introduces a more serious problem. She appears unable to distinguish between a cause and effect. She continually complains about effects as causes for the world situation. It is as if Trump was actually the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

She is not alone. For example, there was a recent brutal shooting of high school students so people attack guns. Is the gun a cause or a result of the collective loss of objective meaning? Philosophy should theoretically help us to open to the objective cause of the collective world situation but has devolved into the means for arguing effects. Jacob Needleman in his book “The American Soul” IMO provides an excellent description of the normal tendency to confuse results with causes. Those like Greta will continue to argue effects and blame someone like Trump. Yet those who are really open to philosophy as the love of wisdom realize that the value of philosophy is being sacrificed to provide egoistic satisfaction rather than wisdom. Perhaps if we were open to the potential for philosophy the question of infanticide wouldn’t appear so odd and offensive.

Our world, so we see and hear on all sides, is drowning in materialism, commercialism, consumerism. But the problem is not really there. What we ordinarily speak of as materialism is a result, not a cause. The root of materialism is a poverty of ideas about the inner and outer world. Less and less does our contemporary culture have, or even seek, commerce with great ideas, and it is the lack that is weakening the human spirit. This is the essence of materialism. Materialism is a disease of the mind starved for ideas.

Throughout history ideas of a certain kind have been disseminated into the life of humanity in order to help human beings understand and feel the possibility of the deep inner change that would enable them to serve the purpose for which they were created, namely, to act in the world as conscious individual instruments of God, and the ultimate principle of reality and value. Ideas of this kind are formulated in order to have a specific range of action on the human psych: to touch the heart as well as the intellect; to shock us into questioning our present understanding; to point us to the greatness around us in nature and the universe, and the potential greatness slumbering within ourselves; to open our eyes to the real needs of our neighbor; to confront us with our own profound ignorance and our criminal fears and egoism; to show us that we are not here for ourselves alone, but as necessary particles of divine love.

These are the contours of the ancient wisdom, considered as ideas embodied in religious and philosophical doctrines, works of sacred art, literature and music and, in a very fundamental way, an indication of practical methods by which a man or woman can work, as is said, to become what he or she really is. Without feeling the full range of such ideas, or sensing even a modest, but pure, trace of them, we are bound to turn for meaning.

Just another bog-standard yank 'pro-lifer' who is pro gun. What a bore you are, and too thick to recognise irony when it's punching you repeatedly in the face. You are pathetically transparent.
As far as the US goes, abortion should be compulsory. Abortion medication should be added to the water supply-- like fluoride.

Ya gotta luv it. Another secularist equating the love of wisdom with fetal genocide. Progress

[vegetariantaxidermy]

What is 'fetal'? 'Love of wisdom' lol. It's just a shame you don't have any.

[Nick_A]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/que ... -1.3826648

A newborn boy was found dead in a garbage can in a Queens playground Saturday.

A woman passing by who smelled a foul odor found the baby’s corpse in a trash can on a basketball court in Dutch Kills Playground near 36th Ave. and Crescent St. in Astoria about 10:45 a.m., cops said.

The boy’s umbilical cord was still attached, police sources said.

What's the problem? We know it was just a worthless organism. Why worry how this baby died? Admit that it was meaningless and get on with the more important issues of your daily life. Blame Trump if you must but concern for the death of a worthless organism is foolish for educated and sophisticated people.