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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:42 pm

Belinda wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 am
Dontaskme, given that Atman is Brahman, is a prostitute's body separate from atman?
No not separate except as conceived in this con-ception.

And Yes, it's all the one.

Including the label Brahman, atman...or prostitute...

All the dream, since the dream is all there is.

Cannot separate the dream from the dreamer...the dreamer is the dream, and the dream is of the dreamer.

The only difference ...is.... is that the dreamer is not in the dream....the dream is in the dreamer.

Dreamt characters are not real, only the dreamer is real...the characters are apparent...illusory images of the imageless.

God and the devil is like light and shadow...both sides of the same coin to coin a phrase.

One side fights for centre stage, the other side grants it the stage, since it's the side that illuminates the whole play of opposites.

The light can be without a shadow, but a shadow cannot be without the light.

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Everything is that same one light...appearing as shadows.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Belinda » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:00 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:42 pm
Belinda wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 am
Dontaskme, given that Atman is Brahman, is a prostitute's body separate from atman?
No not separate except as conceived in this con-ception.

And Yes, it's all the one.

Including the label Brahman, atman...or prostitute...

All the dream, since the dream is all there is.

Cannot separate the dream from the dreamer...the dreamer is the dream, and the dream is of the dreamer.

The only difference ...is.... is that the dreamer is not in the dream....the dream is in the dreamer.

Dreamt characters are not real, only the dreamer is real...the characters are apparent...illusory images of the imageless.

God and the devil is like light and shadow...both sides of the same coin to coin a phrase.

One side fights for centre stage, the other side grants it the stage, since it's the side that illuminates the whole play of opposites.

The light can be without a shadow, but a shadow cannot be without the light.

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Everything is that same one light...appearing as shadows.

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I understand that all is Brahman including bodies, what we call evil, and what we call good.

Is there any incentive to act? Why not simply lie down and die?

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:19 pm

Belinda wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:00 pm

I understand that all is Brahman including bodies, what we call evil, and what we call good.

Is there any incentive to act? Why not simply lie down and die?
A machine (ship) cannot operate without electricity (sailor)

Intention is the rider of the will.

No desire, no sire.

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Who would lie down and die?

The need to poo and piss would get you moving even if you tried not moving or doing, you can't, simply because it's not you doing anything, you are the doing, the done. Life moves as one unitary action...known as a re-act-ion...the play of opposites in progress...aka realtime.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by -1- » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:52 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:07 am

...''know thy self,'' it's your only true friend.

It would be more accurate, I think, to say "Know thy self, thyself". You can't taste the orange juice if I drink it; you have to drink it yourself. You have to experience life yourself. You have to know your self yourself.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:57 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:38 pm
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
No values have ever been or ever will be eternal. The human evolves. Sometimes we take two steps forward and one step back, while that one step back can be extremely painful, (trump), it's factual nature eventually shows us the true way.
This may be true for life in Plato’s cave
Know that I've seen a hell of a lot more reality than you obviously have. Only a fool believes that a realist and an idealist represent a dichotomy. In fact, an idealist has to know reality before idealism can ever take root! Idealism is the answer to realism Thus only a fool confuses idealism with either naivete or ignorance.

which is the sole concern for the secularist but it isn’t true for the universalist.
Both you and I are more apt to live in Plato's cave than we are to necessarily define the universal perspective, 'complete', as humankind is still far too young to even grasp a fraction of it. Only to the moon we've gone, only to the moon, (small and insignificant, relatively speaking, no?)!

Respect for life would be an eternal value for a universalist.
Again your definition does not speak of the universe at all, as the universe destroys as much as it creates, gamma ray bursts, super nova's, black holes, etc. Respect for life is human fear based, (the fear of death). And with human intelligent reason, that if we all suffer from it, then we can all agree to not cause it to happen to one another, we can be relatively safe, except for the crazies that are manufactured by the inequality, for which mankind's current 'system' is accountable.

It would be the same for all expressions of conscious life in our great universe.
Now you speak for all the beings of the universe as if you can necessarily know them. Only in your mind, my friend. Only in your wishful thinking, frightened of death. But yes you are possibly correct of the life that is intergalactic, but those of only interstellar capabilities would be far too close to our current evolutionary progress and would be as barbaric as we currently are, and would exploit the lesser capable as we currently do.


Conscious beings in another solar system would still feel respect for life as an eternal value.
Again your projection of wishful thinking due to your fear of death. Read above about interstellar lifeforms. Oh and of course I should include that humans are largely not respectful of any other life other than their own. The further away from their life the beings are, the more they are disrespectful. Do I really need to cite proofs? Check out the news.


Of course the human condition which creates Plato’s cave is one of these extremely rare places in our great universe that doesn’t recognize eternal values but insists on creating its own reality
The human condition creates everything that concerns humans. Especially those that somehow believe that they are outside Plato's cave. That they create another imaginary layer so as to fool themselves they are outside the onion looking at the peel, they are forever stuck within the onion never capable to actually see the peel. Only through scientific knowledge and eons of time will humans one day finally be capable of being in the true last layer of the onion, which is his ability to comprehend the absolute truth of all things universal.


Definition of PROSTITUTE ONESELF FROM MERRIAM WEBSTER
1: to work as a prostitute : to offer oneself for sex in exchange for money

2: to do something that is below one's level of skill or ability in order to make money
• a writer who prostituted himself by writing commercials
Since you like MERRIAM WEBSTER

Definition of prostitute
prostituted; prostituting
transitive verb
1 : to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money
2 : to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : debase; prostitute one's talents


If we don’t know what respect for life means or its connection to sexuality,
Total BS! To prostitute oneself is to sell any part of oneself including the mind to any entity, for some kind of coveted gain, PERIOD!!!

we cannot have an appreciation that can be prostituted.
Only for the deluded, in denial!

I feel sorry for the young women who “feel” the objective value of respect for life and its connection with sexuality and are called every name in the book for being old fashioned.
Nobody is any name, other than the name they themselves define. People abuse others so as to quell their fear of death. There is no such thing as superiority or inferiority, except in the minds of those that attempt to wield either concept as a weapon to quell their fears. Buy into their false conceptualizations, be injured! See them as the fools that they are, laugh at their wasting their time on earth worrying about things not their concern. People foolishly believe in god so they can play god, what dumb fucks they really are, as it's their false god that has the final say, not them.

There is nothing to feel.
There are many things to feel.

It is all your imagination.
Not quite!

There are no eternal values.
Exactly!

If the men screw anything that walks you are entitled to do the same in the struggle for equality.
People can do anything they want, as long as they don't deny another in the process.

It is the modern way and proof of freedom through the success of secular progressive education.
Freedom is all there ever was, except for the psychos that fear it.

I can just imagine some psychologists from another star system trying to analyse how we devolved in such a way. I'd like to read their report.
Humans are quite laughable, for sure!

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:52 pm
There is no other place beyond what is here right now...it's not like you can step out of the now. This is what eternal means.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm
You're out of your mind as it was used by the OP. Pay attention to context! You said yourself that values are not certain. Here today, gone tomorrow, there is no eternal. Are you still saying, "goo goo gaa gaa?" No! We change, as do our values. How's that mammoth taste? Should I or should I not kill a mammoth? You and I are the culmination of everything that has come before us, and we shall add to that which comes after us, but what that was, is and shall be, is ever changing, never eternal!
How could you know change without the opposite changeless to compare it to?
No point made here! The word eternal is applied to the universal. That which is contained within the universe, cannot necessary speak of that which is it's container. At least it will take a lot of time, in our particular case, as relatively we are currently small indeed. All that humans can even remotely speak of, with any amount of certainty is humankind. And we are largely full of it. For instance we created the word "eternal' sometime between 1350-1400.

'Bloodletting is claimed to have been the most common medical practice performed by surgeons from antiquity until the late 19th century, a span of almost 2,000 years. Bloodletting persisted into the 20th century and was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923 edition of his textbook The Principles and Practice of Medicine.'

Just to show you how much humans didn't know about themselves, let alone the universe. As it turns out, the word eternal is probably a falsehood unless of course entropy is a falsehood instead. But then it's currently up for grabs. Certainly, nothing we currently know of is infinite. So largely the word eternal is a falsehood until there's proof to the contrary. I'd say that it's highly improbable.


Nothing changes, change is an appearance of the unchanging eternal now. Consciousness / awareness does not change, does not come and go..but what appears to consciousness aka the mental narrative aka knowledge does come and go.
You can't know that, for instance, your only knowing now, limits you ability to comment on Leonardo DiVinci's nows, as surely he had some. Your argument of only ever now, totally destroys your ability to know now at all. I hope you know that a fool and their thinking soon go separate ways. ;-)

Are you sure you're not Barbara Brooks, as you definitely remind me of her. Nothing personal, but largely I see most of your words as nonsense. Change is no illusion, nothing is eternal. Consciousness was born and so too it shall die!



The value is put there by the intelligence of eternal consciousness,
You are seemingly a loony toon!

not the human...the human is just one experience consciousness is having.
So a believe in invisible things you are. Your prerogative!
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm
There is no devil, there is only humankind maturing in ever varying environments, with ever varying results, thus ever varying ways to deal with the primal fear of death, (to survive)!!! Some ideas are just not conducive to others.
You cannot talk about the fear of death...
Sure I can!

you have no idea what death is...
Incorrect, I've seen much of death. Too much.

except the idea of death.
Not true!


That idea can only arise where there is the sense of a separate self..which is a totally false belief.
Again, there goes your fear kicking in! You're attempt at denial.

In fact all your responses are based upon fear...all false beliefs.
Nope, but then one as deluded and in denial as you are, can see nothing else.


I actually agree with Nick in all that he posts.
Well you can stroke him all you want, you being a female and all, but that means nothing in terms or wisdom, knowledge, intellect, or philosophy for that matter. Good luck with your nick worship! I hope it suits you well!

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I'm going to quit entertaining your confused state now, as speaking to one such as you, surely seem to be, is of no consequence to either you or me.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:57 pm

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Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:52 pm

It would be more accurate, I think, to say "Know thy self, thyself". You can't taste the orange juice if I drink it; you have to drink it yourself. You have to experience life yourself. You have to know your self yourself.

Nope, that is not accurate...there is no self to know itself. To do that it would have to split itself in two..into the knower and the known.

There is only SELF.

To know SELF, is to know other.
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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:02 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 pm
Well you can stroke him all you want, you being a female and all, but that means nothing in terms or wisdom, knowledge, intellect, or philosophy for that matter. Good luck with your nick worship! I hope it suits you well!

I'm not interested in Nick the actual personal person.

I'm interested in the message that Nick speaks, Nick being the spokesman for truth, sorry you took it to be a personal sexual interest. That's a typical deceptive trick your mind has played on you... I guess I should have made myself more clear...I'm interested in the message,...got it?

I have absolutely no idea who Nick is or have ever seen him...so why would I be interested in something I have never seen or known in my life?
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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:09 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 pm
[''you have no idea what death is...'']
Incorrect, I've seen much of death. Too much.
Wrong I

I'm Not talking about that kind of death.

Have you seen your death? ..that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about someone else's death, I'm talking about your death...you will never know death.

You do not even know if someone else has died...you would have to be there in that persons death to confirm it to be true...truth is you have no idea what death is...it's just an idea...it's a belief.

Find out who or where is the believer before making false truth statements about knowing what death is.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:15 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 pm
[''not the human...the human is just one experience consciousness is having.'']

So a believe in invisible things you are. Your prerogative!
There is no movie without the belief there is.

The movie/dream is comprised of Images of the Imageless...believed to be real.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:17 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 pm
I'm going to quit entertaining your confused state now, as speaking to one such as you, surely seem to be, is of no consequence to either you or me.
Sorry to hear about your confusion...drop that belief and all will become crystal clear.

From belief to clarity.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:19 pm

Dontaskme wrote:...
You do not even know if someone else has died...you would have to be there in that persons death to confirm it to be true...truth is you have no idea what death is...it's just an idea...it's a belief. ...
Sure we do, it's a body that is not breathing or moving and after a while is stone-cold, a dead parrot so to speak. Have you never seen or touched a dead body?

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:22 pm

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 pm
Consciousness was born and so too it shall die!
That which lives never dies...that which dies never lives.

Did you not hear where I said the you that you think you are has come out of yourself.

Any thing born has come out of it's own self. And the fact that presence is here now means it must have always been here now....there is no stepping outside the now to get a look at beginnings and endings of now...it's one seamless infinity for eternity....

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:23 pm

Dontaskme wrote:...
Have you seen your death? ..that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about someone else's death, I'm talking about your death...you will never know death. ...
Well obviously not as you'll be dead.
Find out who or where is the believer before making false truth statements about knowing what death is.
Are you claiming you know about death, if so your statement at the begining is false then? Otherwise of course it is trivially true that one cannot know what being dead is like as you're dead.

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Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:29 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:19 pm
Dontaskme wrote:...
You do not even know if someone else has died...you would have to be there in that persons death to confirm it to be true...truth is you have no idea what death is...it's just an idea...it's a belief. ...
Sure we do, it's a body that is not breathing or moving and after a while is stone-cold, a dead parrot so to speak. Have you never seen or touched a dead body?
No body has ever lived.

There is no beginning to the body and there is no end.

To know real death you would have to be there in death to witness it...you talk of a conditioned mind, it's all illusory knowledge, your knowledge informs illusory reality.

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