Re: Prostitution and Eternal Values
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:38 am
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Does that mean if I stop thinking and start realizing I'll immediately evaporate? That would be convenient! I'd never have to call Mary for her services. I'll just stop thinking!
Not heading anywhere, where ever the mind wanders there it is. HERE NOW NOWHERE < Same place, same as it ever was.
Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:45 amDoes that mean if I stop thinking and start realizing I'll immediately evaporate? That would be convenient! I'd never have to call Mary for her services. I'll just stop thinking!
Then why talk about coming from and going to an idea. Ideas are thoughts. You couldn't have one without thinking. It's so easy to come up with ideas that don't make sense, isn't it.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:20 amDubious wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:45 amDoes that mean if I stop thinking and start realizing I'll immediately evaporate? That would be convenient! I'd never have to call Mary for her services. I'll just stop thinking!
We're not talking about transference of thought from one to another...we're talking about nothing is born, so nothing can die.
And you wonder why I quote others. If I brought up the potential for the Cosmic Man on my own then the men in the white coats would come after me. They would claim this person has lost his mind. It is proven because he supports some crazy woman whose claim to fame is her willingness to annoy the Great Beast. What could be more absurd?As to what mindset will eventually dominate; hopefully not yours for that would be a thorough corruption of both secular and sacred as the latter has no reason to exist without the former...that what you call THE GREAT BEAST!
"Cosmic man", I can't get over how stupid and vulgar this phrase sounds. Even if we understood every detail of the universe - which is never going to happen - there is no way to explain what that actually means without employing a massive overdose of absurdity for its justification. As they say when expectations cease to be congruent with reality, IN YOUR DREAMS! In dreams, anything is possible. Live there for too long and you become psychotic.
Being born again is being born of the spirit as opposed to the earth. The Resurrection refers to the development of this new birth becoming the New ManI also noticed you didn't answer this question:
...rebirth and resurrection are NOT the same; there's a fundamental distinction which has again eluded you. Is your enlightenment enlightened enough to know what it is?
Nick, I thought you might find the concept interesting since that appears to be your entire modus operandi.Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group. The term was first used in signalling theory, to describe any behaviour that could be used to signal virtue—especially piety among the religious. In recent years, the term has become more commonly used as a pejorative characterization by commentators to criticize what they regard as empty, or superficial support of certain political views, and also used within groups to criticize their own members for valuing outward appearance over substantive action.
Secularists argue about prostitutes. Universalists discuss prostitution as a concept in relation to eternal values as I tried to do in the OP.Matthew 23:
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a]wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
We’ve learned it cannot be done. The concept will always devolve into a worldly secular debate. Is a sane discussion on sexual prostitution possible without first discussing the concept of objective prostitution? No, that is why it isn’t discussed. The secular always corrupts the universal.Does prostitution exist for those who do not recognize eternal values? By eternal values I mean “everlasting morals, enduring principle” which have always existed.
At this point in his life Jesus was a conscious being. As such he could do anything. He didn’t suffer the inner oppositions and imaginations which keep us in psychological slavery. With this freedom he could rule the world. But Jesus knew his purpose was to serve eternal values rather than an earthly ego. In short, he couldn’t prostitute himself.Matthew 4:
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
The struggle to consciously experience the reality of our existence necessarily includes recognition of eternal values. Secularism which denies eternal values will naturally pursue pleasure and any attraction to eternal values and their source will be rejected in favor of the pleasure and psychological defenses of egoistic self justification."does there exist in man a natural attraction to truth and to the struggle for truth that is stronger than the natural attraction to pleasure?" Jacob Needleman.
(Nick)Does prostitution exist for those who do not recognize eternal values? By eternal values I mean “everlasting morals, enduring principle” which have always existed.
No it doesn't make sense to say you were born and that you will die. . . without knowing what it is that is born and dies.
Consciousness expressed as a human being could not function properly without eternal values, humans could not live by the absence of them.Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:13 am
The struggle to consciously experience the reality of our existence necessarily includes recognition of eternal values. Secularism which denies eternal values will naturally pursue pleasure and any attraction to eternal values and their source will be rejected in favor of the pleasure and psychological defenses of egoistic self justification.
No values have ever been or ever will be eternal. The human evolves. Sometimes we take two steps forward and one step back, while that one step back can be extremely painful, (trump), it's factual nature eventually shows us the true way.Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:41 pmDoes prostitution exist for those who do not recognize eternal values? By eternal values I mean “everlasting morals, enduring principle” which have always existed.
It has become acceptable in modern times to suggest that we create our own reality and values so by definition they have a pragmatic social origin. They are temporary in contrast with eternal values which are permanent.
From this perspective is it right to say that sexual prostitution no longer exists since there are no eternal values? We create our own values. If women or men are seen as prostitutes, aren’t they really just being themselves? How can a person prostitute themselves if they create their own reality and have nothing objective to prostitute? A man or woman cannot sell themselves cheaply since they are just being normal and have defined their own worth.
Should colleges ban the use of the word since like many other words, prostitution or the loss of objective human quality by selling oneself cheaply is now considered insulting and politically incorrect?
They are because what and who you are is eternal.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:31 pmThey are because what and who you are is eternal.
Not a chance!
The value is placed there by you,
or the value is of no value...it's a matter of choice.
Universally speaking, correct!
Which do you prefer in order to evolve?
I prefer what the universe prefers!
Lets not forget that eternity is this moment right here and now.
Incorrect! Use words correctly or use the ones that actually apply. We're not here to redefine.
1. without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing (opposed to temporal): eternal life.
2. perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling; eternal chatter.
3. enduring; immutable: eternal principles.
4. Metaphysics. existing outside all relations of time; not subject to change.
5. something that is eternal.
6. the Eternal, God. --Dictionary.com--
There is no other place beyond what is here right now...it's not like you can step out of the now. This is what eternal means.
You're out of your mind as it was used by the OP. Pay attention to context! You said yourself that values are not certain. Here today, gone tomorrow, there is no eternal. Are you still saying, "goo goo gaa gaa?" No! We change, as do our values. How's that mammoth taste? Should I or should I not kill a mammoth? You and I are the culmination of everything that has come before us, and we shall add to that which comes after us, but what that was, is and shall be, is ever changing, never eternal!
This is not for sale..but the devil will try to sell it to you...the devil being your shadow side.
There is no devil, there is only humankind maturing in ever varying environments, with ever varying results, thus ever varying ways to deal with the primal fear of death, (to survive)!!! Some ideas are just not conducive to others.