The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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"gobbledygook"
Translation: I don't understand, and you're probably trying to trick me.

Just stick to your own threads and leave the adults alone. Harsh, but nothing more can be done. Either you follow what you can't understand on faith, or stay away. This has been understood at least since Plato. Here is the issue. Since stupidity is infinitely more powerful than intelligence, is it intelligence? This reminds, however, of the fact that brutes are ten times more sinewy than humans. Their masters. How cruel is a human to a brute, a brute can not even give expression to this POWER. So too with the "gobblegook" crowd. Instead they try to increase the forces of stupidity. Such is the condition on the earth.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Troll wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:59 am
"gobbledygook"
Translation: I don't understand, and you're probably trying to trick me.

Just stick to your own threads and leave the adults alone. Harsh, but nothing more can be done. Either you follow what you can't understand on faith, or stay away. This has been understood at least since Plato. Here is the issue. Since stupidity is infinitely more powerful than intelligence, is it intelligence? This reminds, however, of the fact that brutes are ten times more sinewy than humans. Their masters. How cruel is a human to a brute, a brute can not even give expression to this POWER. So too with the "gobblegook" crowd. Instead they try to increase the forces of stupidity. Such is the condition on the earth.
No translation needed. Gobbledygook is gobbledygook. Oh well, you will find some on here who will think they are seeing something profound in your nonsense. Btw, you are oddly familiar 'troll'.
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ZzZZZzzzzzzzzz... Go take a ship, lorry, or whatever to a more remedial thread. Mean breeding breeds Spelling Police!
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Not at all. Everyone makes spelling errors occasionally. 'Loose' for 'lose' goes beyond a spelling error.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Greta wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:00 am It's an odd thing that Americans are always coming on to forums to complain about "liberals". Yet it wasn't "liberals" who gifted the insane and hugely counter-productive US Iraq, which caused long term damage to the US, which has harmed the lives of many Americans and others.

I think there are many more concerns about so-called "conservatives" (actually reactionary radicals and agents of chaos) such as the cosying up to far right groups against coloured people, women and queers, the ignoring of scientific evidence, and the accelerated destruction of natural environments and widening of the wealth gap.

Meanwhile, "dualism" in the context of the OP simply refers to growth - the dance of order and chaos - and the ever evolving actors involved.
I thought we weren't allowed to say 'coloured' any more. Its use violates the ''Progressive'' code of ethics. What about gingers? Am I allowed to say I don't like them? Bad-tempered arseholes and perpetually on the edge of sanity.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:10 am
Greta wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:00 am It's an odd thing that Americans are always coming on to forums to complain about "liberals". Yet it wasn't "liberals" who gifted the insane and hugely counter-productive US Iraq, which caused long term damage to the US, which has harmed the lives of many Americans and others.

I think there are many more concerns about so-called "conservatives" (actually reactionary radicals and agents of chaos) such as the cosying up to far right groups against coloured people, women and queers, the ignoring of scientific evidence, and the accelerated destruction of natural environments and widening of the wealth gap.

Meanwhile, "dualism" in the context of the OP simply refers to growth - the dance of order and chaos - and the ever evolving actors involved.
I thought we weren't allowed to say 'coloured' any more.
Terrific work, Veg. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Greta wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:22 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:10 am
Greta wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:00 am It's an odd thing that Americans are always coming on to forums to complain about "liberals". Yet it wasn't "liberals" who gifted the insane and hugely counter-productive US Iraq, which caused long term damage to the US, which has harmed the lives of many Americans and others.

I think there are many more concerns about so-called "conservatives" (actually reactionary radicals and agents of chaos) such as the cosying up to far right groups against coloured people, women and queers, the ignoring of scientific evidence, and the accelerated destruction of natural environments and widening of the wealth gap.

Meanwhile, "dualism" in the context of the OP simply refers to growth - the dance of order and chaos - and the ever evolving actors involved.
I thought we weren't allowed to say 'coloured' any more.
Terrific work, Veg. Thanks for the heads up.
You are welcome. Don't feel bad. It's quite difficult to keep abreast of the ever-changing ''Progressive'' manifesto, but it's essential to be aware at all times of who you can and can't offend at any given time. I believe there are ''persons of colour'' in tears all over the world because of your insensitive and thoughtless use of such an offensive word.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Troll wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:03 am
Would it not be better to control what one likes and dislike altogether? If power is subject to what one likes, is it power?
I suppose you are right. Though, I believe the issue is, does one give expression to what power is, or to what it might be? I.e., does one give any ground to impossibility. Surely Locke attempted merely to say what power is, rather than one’s highest representation of power in thought.


I don’t know that one must loose oneself. In my own view power is the unconstrained joy in cruelty, i.e., it is precisely the lack of power of the weak, in inverse ratio, that is the power of the most profoundly powerful. Ergo, in disappearing, as though in a limit state, the power would dissipate utterly and cease to exist. In a certain sense, this view of mine, corresponds to the natural sciences, which hold that acts of cruelty release stress.


Now, I don’t know what you mean by your “centering”. Is the “lukewarm” the forbidden middle of hot and cold?
Or does "hot" and "cold" begin with "lukewarm"? Even "lukewarm" implies some extreme, ie warm, but I understand where you are going.


Thereby disobeying the rule of thought that prescribes either one or the other, but not neither. In a certain sense, it is said, the Law of Excluded Middle binds all things together. Fat to Skinny for instance. Is this center the form of the whole as the golden median which is the essence and source of the pairing?

It allows for both extremes, and embraces them, while simultaneously being the foundation for both. In these respects it can be viewed as a center of origins which circulates back to itself.
The golden median allows an understanding of both extremes, through their effects, while simultaneously avoiding any extreme that inherently would prevent the other if taken strictly on its own terms only. For example practicing only happiness does not allow for anger, however one must understand anger in order to be happy. In these respects one may understand something, for its own sake, without fully indulging in it.

In a seperate respects it allows for both extremes to exist on thier own terms as extensions of the originally point. So if I feel extremely happy and and extremely angry/sad, at the same time I practice neither while allowing both to exist simultaneously through me. The practice of both extremes, at once, (instead of the altneration of one over the other) observes a synthesis between the two as a median point of emotion...in this case "focus" as the centering of emotion.

So the median point, allows for both extremes and neither, at the same time in different respects.


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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:55 am
Troll wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:56 pm He meant the word he wrote.
I doubt it. The rest is pseud gobbledygook with some rather sinister references to cruelty.
Actually troll is correct, I admit to misspellings when the occur, that was not one of them.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Greta wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:00 am It's an odd thing that Americans are always coming on to forums to complain about "liberals". Yet it wasn't "liberals" who gifted the insane and hugely counter-productive US Iraq, which caused long term damage to the US, which has harmed the lives of many Americans and others.

I think there are many more concerns about so-called "conservatives" (actually reactionary radicals and agents of chaos) such as the cosying up to far right groups against coloured people, women and queers, the ignoring of scientific evidence, and the accelerated destruction of natural environments and widening of the wealth gap.

If you have no authority to make the required changes, are you immoral?

Meanwhile, "dualism" in the context of the OP simply refers to growth - the dance of order and chaos - and the ever evolving actors involved.
Well, then growth, as a perpetual fruition is the median point between the two and acts as the foundations for this dualism.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:30 am
Troll wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:10 am “And power is not the most primal of the pleasures?”

Hobbes, Yukio Mishima, and even my humble self, am flabbergasted. Point well taken. And yet, English sobriety, in stark contradistinction from the Prussian Rausch, the mania, of a Nietzsche, say this: Power is to have the possibility to do as one likes, rather than to do it.
Would it not be better to control what one likes and dislike altogether? If power is subject to what one likes, is it power?

Ergo, one must notice that pleasure is something different from power, power is the essence of the human being as future, or, as “becoming rather than being”. Animals never achieve future in this sense, as bare possibility of which they might pride themselves in not enacting.
It may be different yet they share a median of commonality through the fact they can mirror one another.

Things we can observe as similarities:

1) Both require one to "lose oneself" either emotional, physically, or intellectually as a form of transcendence or descendance relative to circumstance.
2) Both are dependent upon the exercise of the other. A man who seeks power, but experiences no pleasure becomes weak in his pursuit and loses that very same power. A man who seeks pleasure, over power, becomes weak in his pursuit and loses that very same pleasure.

In these respects we can observe that weakness, or strength, stems from one's ability to fully observe what they are after. Observation is a common median and is a median in itself.


Now, with regard to what you say, I must say, is the human limited by the envisaging of all things as either one extreme, or the other. Ergo, hot or cold? It is in this sense that the human being is not the “measure of all things”.

By viewing in extremes alone we, as you say are "not the measure of all things" as measurement requires a mediation as form of proportionality. In these respects people, who strictly view the world as opposing duals only, oppose reason and cease to practice any form of rational function. In a separate respect by acknowledging the extremes, by letting them exist as they are in accordance with their nature, and observing a medial point as a third dimension we not only allow the phenomena to exist for what it is but are able to mediate them and cause a sense of balance through "centering".

In these respects the observation of duals allows the synthesis of a universal point of measurement.

In a separate respect we are also observe the "causal" nature of the phenomena as the "center" is the first point. We can observe this in the respect that all beginning and end points are medial points in themselves for further beginning and end points. In these respects by observing the center triadic element, by first observing the dualistic natures, we can observe it's "first" origins.

I think you wrote that. It's hard to tell because you put everything in the same quote box. You actually spelt it correctly. It's the troll idiot who didn't, then tried to claim that's what he meant.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:39 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:30 am
Troll wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:10 am “And power is not the most primal of the pleasures?”

Hobbes, Yukio Mishima, and even my humble self, am flabbergasted. Point well taken. And yet, English sobriety, in stark contradistinction from the Prussian Rausch, the mania, of a Nietzsche, say this: Power is to have the possibility to do as one likes, rather than to do it.
Would it not be better to control what one likes and dislike altogether? If power is subject to what one likes, is it power?

Ergo, one must notice that pleasure is something different from power, power is the essence of the human being as future, or, as “becoming rather than being”. Animals never achieve future in this sense, as bare possibility of which they might pride themselves in not enacting.
It may be different yet they share a median of commonality through the fact they can mirror one another.

Things we can observe as similarities:

1) Both require one to "lose oneself" either emotional, physically, or intellectually as a form of transcendence or descendance relative to circumstance.
2) Both are dependent upon the exercise of the other. A man who seeks power, but experiences no pleasure becomes weak in his pursuit and loses that very same power. A man who seeks pleasure, over power, becomes weak in his pursuit and loses that very same pleasure.

In these respects we can observe that weakness, or strength, stems from one's ability to fully observe what they are after. Observation is a common median and is a median in itself.


Now, with regard to what you say, I must say, is the human limited by the envisaging of all things as either one extreme, or the other. Ergo, hot or cold? It is in this sense that the human being is not the “measure of all things”.

By viewing in extremes alone we, as you say are "not the measure of all things" as measurement requires a mediation as form of proportionality. In these respects people, who strictly view the world as opposing duals only, oppose reason and cease to practice any form of rational function. In a separate respect by acknowledging the extremes, by letting them exist as they are in accordance with their nature, and observing a medial point as a third dimension we not only allow the phenomena to exist for what it is but are able to mediate them and cause a sense of balance through "centering".

In these respects the observation of duals allows the synthesis of a universal point of measurement.

In a separate respect we are also observe the "causal" nature of the phenomena as the "center" is the first point. We can observe this in the respect that all beginning and end points are medial points in themselves for further beginning and end points. In these respects by observing the center triadic element, by first observing the dualistic natures, we can observe it's "first" origins.

I think you wrote that. It's hard to tell because you put everything in the same quote box. You actually spelt it correctly. It's the troll idiot who didn't, then tried to claim that's what he meant.

If I didn't correct it, and I quote his ideas as mirroring mine in meaning, am I not also culpable for his spelling as my own?
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:09 pm
Greta wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:22 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:10 am

I thought we weren't allowed to say 'coloured' any more.
Terrific work, Veg. Thanks for the heads up.
You are welcome. Don't feel bad. It's quite difficult to keep abreast ...
Please do not talk about breasts here.

This is forum is attended by God-fearing people, and also adults, who may be offended by this. Thank you.
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:41 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:39 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:30 am
I think you wrote that. It's hard to tell because you put everything in the same quote box. You actually spelt it correctly. It's the troll idiot who didn't, then tried to claim that's what he meant.

If I didn't correct it, and I quote his ideas as mirroring mine in meaning, am I not also culpable for his spelling as my own?
Stop sucking up. Be a man, and own your correct spelling!
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Re: The Endless Duel of Dualism

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:58 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:41 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:39 pm

I think you wrote that. It's hard to tell because you put everything in the same quote box. You actually spelt it correctly. It's the troll idiot who didn't, then tried to claim that's what he meant.

If I didn't correct it, and I quote his ideas as mirroring mine in meaning, am I not also culpable for his spelling as my own?
Stop sucking up. Be a man, and own your correct spelling!
Or I can own myself and others...since when was owning another sucking up?
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