bahman wrote:I have a new
thread that I discussed that free will is an illusion. Here we discuss important consequences of absence of free will. The main questions are as following: Why we should be guilty of our action if free will is an illusion? What is the purpose of Heaven and Hell? How judiciary system could be justified?...
Bahman, how old are you? You seem to be focused in that problem, at first I thought that you were posting the same over and over to make other people think that you are smart, but... maybe I was wrong, and you are just seeking for truth. So I'll answer to one of your posts about this.
"Free will" is not an illusion, it's self-evident that we can make ddecissions, and, of course, that decissions have consequences. That's why we think. And ethical decissions are not different than the rest of decissions, that is, we make them based in consequences. We can be wrong, we can be right, but we do what we do, cause that make us happy, and, in ethical terms, we do what we do because we are going to be treated by what we do too.
What is mistake, is the concept "free will" as something out of cause-consequence. You can chose, and, yes, your decission is going to be always "because the rest of the Universe", because of "fate", everything is what it is because of cause-consequence. But that won't change the fact that you still have to think. If you go to an exam thinking "If I'm going to pass... why should I study? And if I'm going to fail why should I study? You'll fail, and that wrong thought in your head, is going to be, like every thought in every head, something guided by causality.
What implies then, causality? It implies that you exist. Suppose that you decide to climb a tree. In a causal Universe, that is because you thought that you wanted an apple from that tree, you know that apples can be eaten because you learnt that when you were younger, you feeel hungry in that moment, you were formed in all your life to have the kind of mind that climbs trees to eat apples. How would that be in a non causal Universe? You are there, and... something happens. Without a why. You didn't chose, because you don't have any reason at all to do one thing or other, your thoughts, your feelings, all that things, doesn't exist, your not more than chaos. The process of thinking if something is wrong or right is causality itself.
Why do some people feel guilty? Because they asume responsability to do something, guilty is a sense of failure to a plan.
Of course, this world is completely full of lies, so some people make plans and put them in other peoples head, they enslave other people, so, you can feel guilty even when you don't know why. Heaven and hell doesn't exist out of the real world, and people who make ethical decissions only thinking in a fake heaven or hell as consequences of their actions, are stupid people (or, at least... very ignorant)... who, of course, make more bad decissions than intelligent people, including ethical decissions. What is the purpose of heaven and hell? controll over people. The same for the juducuary system. But both things over times lose their purpose, and both things have a part of intelligent people who where at the begining ignorant enough to believe some lies, but then they grew with them... now it's a mess. Like everything....
If you ask "why should I be good?" You have your own answers... and you have some people who will treat you because of your actions, as a consequence.