Abortion is murder, or is it?

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Abortion is murder, or is it?

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This emotional and religious issue, driven by popular beliefs, is of such importance that politicians use it to swing votes.
Google defines “murder” as “the crime of killing another person deliberately . . . . “ .
A foetus is not a “person” or an independent individual, it is an individual-under-construction. A healthy foetus is indeed “alive” evident from its movements and its heart-beat. It is a popular but mistaken belief that a foetus is a new human being. Beliefs serve some purpose, but now we can place a man on the moon and ingrained beliefs need to be questioned. Something can be “alive” but may not have “life”. This is the crucial point in the abortion issue.
A couple of observations may demonstrate the difference between “being alive” and “having life”, viz. at Funerals and in Organ transplanting.
At funerals we realise that the departed “individual” has lost its “life”, leaving behind its “life”-less body. The corpse has to be disposed of, because it starts to deteriorate. It will disintegrate, fall apart and return to “dust” from which it was constructed in its mother’s womb. The corpse goes putrid because its cells, although life-less, remain alive for the decomposition process; to return ashes to ashes. The corpse is disposed-of one way or another.
In organ transplanting parts are removed from a corpse, a body without life, but still alive for a while. The parts are kept ‘alive’ on ice for transport, and then connected to ’life’ in another body to restart their intended function. While the cells of a corpse are life-less, they remain alive for the decomposition process.
Similarly, a foetus is alive, while not yet having its own life. A foetus is growing but is not a new individual until it receives ‘life’ at birth, which can be premature. Killing a baby that has ’life’ could be murder or euthanasia; no life, no murder.
Conclusion: Abortion is NOT murder.
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The 'pro-life' movement isn't pro-life at all. It's anti-women. It's all about controlling and punishing women. Kristian 'pro-lifers' don't care about foetuses. They want to punish women for the 'crime' of having sex for recreational purposes. If they really care about foetuses then why don't they picket in-vitro fertilisation clinics? They flush countless fertilised embryos every day. Kristian anti-abortionists are the scum of the earth, gigantic hypocrites who use abortion when it suits them.

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Life begins at conception.

It can be witnessed as a flash of light.

Form your own inferences about what happens after that.
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Walker wrote:Life begins at conception.

It can be witnessed as a flash of light.

Form your own inferences about what happens after that.
Of course, one of our resident kristian nut-jobs would have to put their spoke in. It doesn't matter when 'life' begins. You can't force women to be baby-making machines any more, and you can't stop people from having sex either. Boo hoo hoo to your fucked up kristian 'values'.
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Yikes.


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It doesn't matter when life begins unless we are about to start worrying about killing microbes. The killing of a being without a functioning nervous system cannot cause what we think of as suffering.

I rather like George Carlin's commentary on abortion:
They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life[r]s are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.
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Walker wrote:Life begins at conception.
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And some people don't develop any further.
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Friday night and feeling silly(er). For those interested, the full George Carlin skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM
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Walker wrote:Yikes.


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Greta wrote:Friday night and feeling silly(er). For those interested, the full George Carlin skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM
I love George Carlin. He died too soon. Not really a comedian, but a brilliant social commentator and philosopher.
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Greta wrote:It doesn't matter when life begins unless we are about to start worrying about killing microbes. The killing of a being without a functioning nervous system cannot cause what we think of as suffering.
After conception, humans either say yes to life, or no to life. They support this with reasons such as: the insect got in the way and was crushed underfoot, or whatever.

To say the way it is, is not to denounce the way it is.

After conception, life is. Abortion ends that life. The reasons for this are justified in one way or another. In the United States, abortion is legally not murder. This consensus definition of murder as it relates to abortion was created by five people.


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Walker wrote:
Greta wrote:It doesn't matter when life begins unless we are about to start worrying about killing microbes. The killing of a being without a functioning nervous system cannot cause what we think of as suffering.
After conception, humans either say yes to life, or no to life. They support this with reasons such as: the insect got in the way and was crushed underfoot, or whatever.

To say the way it is, is not to denounce the way it is.

After conception, life is. Abortion ends that life. The reasons for this are justified in one way or another. In the United States, abortion is legally not murder. This consensus definition of murder as it relates to abortion was created by five people.


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Until there comes a time when you need one then you should just shut the fuck up about it. It's none of your business.
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In order to constitute an action as "murder", the victim has to be "alive", heart beating, being have a developed brain, etc.
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Here's an idea. How's about we just mind our own business, and leave women's bodies to themselves? I'm so sick of people trying to control them. Honestly, men should get bugger all say in what a woman does with her life or her body. You seed them, that's it.
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Vege wrote:
The 'pro-life' movement isn't pro-life at all. It's anti-women. It's all about controlling and punishing women.
Anti-women??? Yes this is the same vege who condones the abuse of women by Sharia law by supporting the silence directed at it by feminists. You can't write this stuff. In your face hypocrisy
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