Harbal wrote:But you don't know anything. Surely, that makes you an agnostic.Jaded Sage wrote: I consider myself a gnostic.
Much like Socrates.
Harbal wrote:But you don't know anything. Surely, that makes you an agnostic.Jaded Sage wrote: I consider myself a gnostic.
I do! Works for me.Gary Childress wrote:Do you "shun the material world and embrace the spiritual world"? Would that be an accurate definition of Gnosticism?Jaded Sage wrote:I consider myself a gnostic.Gary Childress wrote:Do you consider yourself a "mystic" Jaded Sage?
I am agnostic BTW when it comes to "spiritual" matters.
What is meant when people talk of a "spiritual world" and how does it differ from what people talk about when they refer to a "material world"? Or what is the difference between "spiritual" and "material"?Jaded Sage wrote:I do! Works for me.Gary Childress wrote:Do you "shun the material world and embrace the spiritual world"? Would that be an accurate definition of Gnosticism?
I am agnostic BTW when it comes to "spiritual" matters.
For me it is Plato's visible (material) and intelligible (spiritual) world.Gary Childress wrote:What is meant when people talk of a "spiritual world" and how does it differ from what people talk about when they refer to a "material world"? Or what is the difference between "spiritual" and "material"?Jaded Sage wrote:I do! Works for me.Gary Childress wrote:Do you "shun the material world and embrace the spiritual world"? Would that be an accurate definition of Gnosticism?
I am agnostic BTW when it comes to "spiritual" matters.
BTW, should you have any questions about my agnosticism, I'll do my best to respond to them.
If that's how you want to interpret it.Jaded Sage wrote:Harbal wrote:But you don't know anything. Surely, that makes you an agnostic.Jaded Sage wrote: I consider myself a gnostic.
Much like Socrates.
Interesting. Myself, I sort of have a tendency under some circumstances to divide things up between what is "material" and what is "mental" (for lack of a better term). For example: the computer on my desk is "material" but the experience I have when I look at the computer is "mental". I am skeptical of attempts to "reduce" mental things to "material" things.Jaded Sage wrote:For me it is Plato's visible (material) and intelligible (spiritual) world.Gary Childress wrote:What is meant when people talk of a "spiritual world" and how does it differ from what people talk about when they refer to a "material world"? Or what is the difference between "spiritual" and "material"?Jaded Sage wrote:I do! Works for me.
BTW, should you have any questions about my agnosticism, I'll do my best to respond to them.
Officially, I'm an agnostic myself, from a philosophical standpoint.
Have you had "a direct experience of God?"Jaded Sage wrote:You and I think a lot alike, Gary. I do consider myself a mystic by the last three of the definitions I offered, and sometimes by the first.
I hope you don't mind if I chime in here, but I have had an experience many years ago, that i can only attribute to the Holy Spirit, and I reasoned that if the Holy Spirit exists, then the other parts of the Trinity must exist as well. I understand that my experience was only relevant for those present, and I don't expect anyone else to accept it as valid, but it was a direct experience.Gary Childress wrote:Have you had "a direct experience of God?"Jaded Sage wrote:You and I think a lot alike, Gary. I do consider myself a mystic by the last three of the definitions I offered, and sometimes by the first.
Stigmata of the feet. Also, there's a holiday called Epiphany where Christ appeared to the disciples. I used to have many mental epiphanies. I consider them the same thing. I think I remember others involving ecstasy, but it's been too long.Gary Childress wrote:Have you had "a direct experience of God?"Jaded Sage wrote:You and I think a lot alike, Gary. I do consider myself a mystic by the last three of the definitions I offered, and sometimes by the first.
What was the experience like? What lead you to believe it was an experience of a/the "holy spirit"? Obviously feel free not to answer but I am curious (though also reserve some right to be skeptical).thedoc wrote:I hope you don't mind if I chime in here, but I have had an experience many years ago, that i can only attribute to the Holy Spirit, and I reasoned that if the Holy Spirit exists, then the other parts of the Trinity must exist as well. I understand that my experience was only relevant for those present, and I don't expect anyone else to accept it as valid, but it was a direct experience.Gary Childress wrote:Have you had "a direct experience of God?"Jaded Sage wrote:You and I think a lot alike, Gary. I do consider myself a mystic by the last three of the definitions I offered, and sometimes by the first.
What was the stigmata of the feet like? Were your feet actually bleeding with no discernable wounds on them? Looking back, are you sure it wasn't a dream or maybe you were having a delusion?Jaded Sage wrote:Stigmata of the feet. Also, there's a holiday called Epiphany where Christ appeared to the disciples. I used to have many mental epiphanies. I consider them the same thing. I think I remember others involving ecstasy, but it's been too long.Gary Childress wrote:Have you had "a direct experience of God?"Jaded Sage wrote:You and I think a lot alike, Gary. I do consider myself a mystic by the last three of the definitions I offered, and sometimes by the first.