Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

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Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Jaded Sage » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:40 pm

Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

The focus here is on the meaning of the word "natural."

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Arising_uk » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:48 pm

Both are equally natural.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Gary Childress » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:52 pm

If everything around us is part of "nature" then most everything would count as "natural", including land fills. On the other hand, if what is meant by "nature" everything opposite to human beings, then as long as a human being doesn't touch it, it's "natural".

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Harbal » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:04 pm

Jaded Sage wrote:Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

The focus here is on the meaning of the word "natural."
So what do you mean by "natural"? Untill you give an exact definition of the word you can't think about answering the question. It's no good saying that the fous is on the word "natural". You are the one that used that particular word in your question so it's up to you to say exactly what you mean by it.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Jaded Sage » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:30 pm

It's not necessarily up to me. You and everyone else uses the word "naturally" as well, therefore it is actually up to you and everyone else as well.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by thedoc » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:49 pm

Jaded Sage wrote:It's not necessarily up to me. You and everyone else uses the word "naturally" as well, therefore it is actually up to you and everyone else as well.
Nice dodge.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Jaded Sage » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:40 pm

It's not a dodge. It's a simple fact.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by FlashDangerpants » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:43 pm

Jaded Sage wrote:Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?
No

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by A_Seagull » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:58 pm

Jaded Sage wrote:It's not a dodge. It's a simple fact.
Just because a question can be formulated in a way that is grammatically correct, it has no bearing on whether the question is sensible or meaningful.

In this instance I consider the question of the OP to be neither.

Or in the words of the immortal Chico Marx : "Why a duck?"!

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Jaded Sage » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:10 am

Fair enough.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Obvious Leo » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:05 am

Jaded Sage wrote:Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?
It all depends.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by RickLewis » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:28 am

Jaded Sage wrote:Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

The focus here is on the meaning of the word "natural."
Aristotle said that things seek to find their "natural place". So the natural place for a stone is below water, which is why a stone sinks if you throw it into a pond. The natural place for a fluffy white cloud is right up in the sky, which is why it does not sink.

The trouble is that this isn't a very useful system for making predictions about the behaviour of objects. So this whole aspect of Aristotle's physics was abandoned once Galileo et al came up with a better understanding of gravity.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by uwot » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:30 pm

RickLewis wrote:The trouble is that this isn't a very useful system for making predictions about the behaviour of objects.
I dunno; I've yet to see a stone spontaneously shoot upwards. Ptolemy is pretty accurate, too.

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Jaded Sage » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:59 pm

RickLewis wrote:
Jaded Sage wrote:Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

The focus here is on the meaning of the word "natural."
Aristotle said that things seek to find their "natural place". So the natural place for a stone is below water, which is why a stone sinks if you throw it into a pond. The natural place for a fluffy white cloud is right up in the sky, which is why it does not sink.

The trouble is that this isn't a very useful system for making predictions about the behaviour of objects. So this whole aspect of Aristotle's physics was abandoned once Galileo et al came up with a better understanding of gravity.
So you're saying it varies from object to object?

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Re: Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

Post by Harbal » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:03 pm

Jaded Sage wrote:Is it more natural for an object to drop or float?

The focus here is on the meaning of the word "natural."
It really is amazing how much senslesness you've managed to pack into two short sentences.

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