Has Professional Philosophy Been Corrupted by Logical Fallacies?

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Re: Has Professional Philosophy Been Corrupted by Logical Fallacies?

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Atla wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:37 pm According to Occam's razor, it's a fact unless proven otherwise.
Er, not quite. It might be a fact unless proven otherwise.
The 'religious' theory is that consciousness and reality aren't the same phenomenon. It's a batshit crazy theory actually, and the entire Western world believes in it.
Yes, this is much more like a religious theory. It has no basis in empiricism or experience, has no explanatory usefulness and is just a conjecture.
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Re: Has Professional Philosophy Been Corrupted by Logical Fallacies?

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According to Occam's razor, it's a fact unless proven otherwise.[/quote]
Er, not quite. It might be a fact unless proven otherwise.

[quote]The 'religious' theory is that consciousness and reality aren't the same phenomenon. It's a batshit crazy theory actually, and the entire Western world believes in it.[/quote]
Yes, this is much more like a religious theory. It has no basis in empiricism or experience, has no explanatory usefulness and is just a conjecture.
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Is there some reason to believe consciousness and reality are Not the same thing at an individual level?
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Re: Has Professional Philosophy Been Corrupted by Logical Fallacies?

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PeteJ wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:05 am
Atla wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:37 pm According to Occam's razor, it's a fact unless proven otherwise.
Er, not quite. It might be a fact unless proven otherwise.
Nondualism can be seen as a fact unless proven otherwise. All facts might be shown wrong eventually, but if so far they always hold as far as we can tell, then we can consider them facts.

For example according to Occam's razor, the Earth has one Sun. Who knows, maybe the Earth has two Suns, or maybe 17, and they are somehow superimposed upon each other across the dimensions, or most of them are invisible or whatever, and they simply look like one Sun to us. But so far, we can call it a fact that the Earth has one Sun.
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Re: Has Professional Philosophy Been Corrupted by Logical Fallacies?

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Daktoria wrote: Wed May 13, 2015 4:55 pm Isn't modern philosophy really just an exercise in trolling?

The goal is to deliberately appeal to authority, popularity, emotion, etc. in order to manipulate enforcement of rules rather than actually understand reason. Therefore, there really isn't any value in discussing philosophy at all because the authorities at stake are more concerned with being worshiped than preserving the values at stake.

In essence, modern philosophy has become an anti-intellectual, conform to norm, simple-minded, closed-minded field that really isn't any different from the brutes it seeks to distinguish itself from.

A classic example of this is how so many philosophers are "empiricists", but they get laughed at in the real world. In the real world, those empiricists are told to get real and show how they appreciate reality so much, but they instantly resort to scientific experiments to prove their points.

The problem is these scientific experiments can only be designed under rational freedom, so real world people just bully them around and laugh in their faces, expecting them to perform physical good works in advance of being treated with respect. If they don't satisfy work ethic, they get abused, and when they complain about it, they're made fun of.

Professional philosophy has embraced the very attitudes of those who abuse said professionals. It seeks to compare itself against the rational who enable to have sanctuary from brutes, but the bottomline is without rational thought, professional philosophy just gets accused of being an ivory tower delusion that can't get real.

I mean the really sad part is generation after generation of philosophy students get taught by these professionals, and when they graduate, they become nobodies in life. They get dumped right back into reality, and those realists throw the nonsense they believe in right back in their face. Perhaps if they want to get real so much, the should never leave reality. Instead of claiming to be "intellectuals", they should just dig down and get their hands dirty.
Since, "professional philosophy," is total nonsense, any corruption of it would be an improvement.

From, "Philosophy, If You Want It:"
With few exceptions no one is interested in philosophy. They don't mind what passes for philosophy in academia, however. The academic perversions of philosophy are written and taught by those who use the methods of philosophy, not to discover the truth, but to evade and obfuscate it. They are just as ignorant, stupid, and superstitious as everyone else.

They hate true philosophy because it describes reality as it actually is and it is reality the sophists and cynics, passing themselves off as intellectuals and philosophers despise.

Reality is immutable, absolute, and ruthless. Immutable means the nature of reality cannot be changed or ever be other than what it is. Absolute means reality is complete and unconditional; it is all there is and is not contingent on anything. Ruthless means reality determines what is true and not true, and no human feelings, desires, choices, acts, beliefs, or wishes can change it.

No one wants to learn about that kind of reality, but it is the only reality there is. No one wants philosophy because the reality it describes is not nice:
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