is evolution shaped by death

[jackles]

Are evolved forms shaped by the invisible force of death. Is this invisible and unmoving force of death changing the moving things of life and is the evolution of species the life beond at work in nature.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Are evolved forms shaped by the invisible force of death. Is this invisible and unmoving force of death changing the moving things of life and is the evolution of species the life beond at work in nature.

Yes, death is the most important thing about evolution as without it there would be none.
But you are wrong to characterise it as in invisible force, it is not such thing.
Death, and particularly untimely death is the means by which only successful behaviours and traits can persist into the next generation.
Evolution is the promotion of characteristics by means of individual members of species living long enough to have viable progeny. There is simply no other rubric.

Evolution is not the selection of positive traits. But the selection of successful individuals with collections of traits that can be neutral and even negative - (just so long as they are not detrimental enough to cause the individual to die before they create viable progeny).

As all living things have a negative propensity to death, it would appear obvious that such a negative trait is no impediment to evolution.

[Rilx]

Maybe a sidetrack but this is one of my favourite quotes:

"A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."
~ ~ Max Planck

[ianrust]

Is evolution shaped by death? Do you mean is it shaped by a 'death' of consciousness?
It is. I think a will to survive, a relationship with God; a will to transcend, to overcome... is obviously part of evolution. We have been viewing genetics in a very mechanical way up until recently, and as time goes on the field of genetics will continue to become less mechanical as we realize genes activate and deactivate; the brain is involved in this process, so consciousness therefor plays a role; thus evolution is influenced by consciousness, which is in turn directly influenced by beliefs. ......

[Hobbes' Choice]

Is evolution shaped by death? Do you mean is it shaped by a 'death' of consciousness?
It is. I think a will to survive, a relationship with God; a will to transcend, to overcome... is obviously part of evolution. We have been viewing genetics in a very mechanical way up until recently, and as time goes on the field of genetics will continue to become less mechanical as we realize genes activate and deactivate; the brain is involved in this process, so consciousness therefor plays a role; thus evolution is influenced by consciousness, which is in turn directly influenced by beliefs. ......

Evolution is not related to God. Where have you been for the last 150 years; in a monkhouse?

[ianrust]

Is evolution shaped by death? Do you mean is it shaped by a 'death' of consciousness?
It is. I think a will to survive, a relationship with God; a will to transcend, to overcome... is obviously part of evolution. We have been viewing genetics in a very mechanical way up until recently, and as time goes on the field of genetics will continue to become less mechanical as we realize genes activate and deactivate; the brain is involved in this process, so consciousness therefor plays a role; thus evolution is influenced by consciousness, which is in turn directly influenced by beliefs. ......

Evolution is not related to God. Where have you been for the last 150 years; in a monkhouse?

If I believe in God, I will behave differently than if I do not. That difference in behavior will effect how I reproduce, and survive. So yes, belief in God is directly related to evolution. Now, what?

[Arising_uk]

... and as time goes on the field of genetics will continue to become less mechanical ...

Given that this field, along with Molecular Biology, is what has allowed Biology to at last become more than taxonomy and become an Engineering subject I think your thought in error. We now have a small grasp upon the 'Tree of Life' despite your 'God's' will.

[ianrust]

... and as time goes on the field of genetics will continue to become less mechanical ...

Given that this field, along with Molecular Biology, is what has allowed Biology to at last become more than taxonomy and become an Engineering subject I think your thought in error. We now have a small grasp upon the 'Tree of Life' despite your 'God's' will.

That is irrelevant. Genetics is changing, it's become more interactive and will continue to.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Is evolution shaped by death? Do you mean is it shaped by a 'death' of consciousness?
It is. I think a will to survive, a relationship with God; a will to transcend, to overcome... is obviously part of evolution. We have been viewing genetics in a very mechanical way up until recently, and as time goes on the field of genetics will continue to become less mechanical as we realize genes activate and deactivate; the brain is involved in this process, so consciousness therefor plays a role; thus evolution is influenced by consciousness, which is in turn directly influenced by beliefs. ......

Evolution is not related to God. Where have you been for the last 150 years; in a monkhouse?

If I believe in God, I will behave differently than if I do not. That difference in behavior will effect how I reproduce, and survive. So yes, belief in God is directly related to evolution. Now, what?

Like most religionists you don't understand evolution in the slightest.
You might as well say that eating bananas are directly related to evolution.

[Hobbes' Choice]

... and as time goes on the field of genetics will continue to become less mechanical ...

Given that this field, along with Molecular Biology, is what has allowed Biology to at last become more than taxonomy and become an Engineering subject I think your thought in error. We now have a small grasp upon the 'Tree of Life' despite your 'God's' will.

That is irrelevant. Genetics is changing, it's become more interactive and will continue to.

That is an abuse of the term "interactive".

[ianrust]

It isn't. When a gene activates or deactivates according to behavior, that is an interactive relationship. Pick the word apart if you feel the need, waste your time.

[ianrust]

Evolution is not related to God. Where have you been for the last 150 years; in a monkhouse?

If I believe in God, I will behave differently than if I do not. That difference in behavior will effect how I reproduce, and survive. So yes, belief in God is directly related to evolution. Now, what?

Like most religionists you don't understand evolution in the slightest.
You might as well say that eating bananas are directly related to evolution.

Eating bananas is directly related to evolution. Read:
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/co- ... dator.html

[Hobbes' Choice]

If I believe in God, I will behave differently than if I do not. That difference in behavior will effect how I reproduce, and survive. So yes, belief in God is directly related to evolution. Now, what?

Like most religionists you don't understand evolution in the slightest.
You might as well say that eating bananas are directly related to evolution.

Eating bananas is directly related to evolution. Read:
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/co- ... dator.html

Clearly you need to investigate the word "DIRECTLY".

[Hobbes' Choice]

It isn't. When a gene activates or deactivates according to behavior, that is an interactive relationship. Pick the word apart if you feel the need, waste your time.

As I suspected you don't understand evolution.

You are born and die with the same genome. Evolution works on the variable survival of individuals: those that have viable progeny against those that fail to reproduce.
Epigenetics may have a small role to play, but nothing uncovered by science changes the fact that nothing we do during our lives can change the genome, though some genes might get switched on or off (in a limited way), evolution runs on Natural Selection.

[ianrust]

Like most religionists you don't understand evolution in the slightest.
You might as well say that eating bananas are directly related to evolution.

Eating bananas is directly related to evolution. Read:
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/co- ... dator.html

Clearly you need to investigate the word "DIRECTLY".

No, you can extrapolate it. I'm not interested in picking apart your jargon for you. You do need to investigate "post modernism", though - that's a philosophy about language. THanks, bye.