AS: I am very sensitive to arguments taken from the Bush playbook.
M: I had no idea of such a connection. Actually, what is the 'Bush playbook'
AS The Bush Cheney playbook is just a term used as a general overall guide to their conservative ideals...which we all know how well they played out for the world....a decade later the world is still reeling over the effects.
AS: "I must protect Mankind by killing Mankind" never made much sense to me.
M: Where is Harry saying this? You're losing me...
AS: That is why I admit I probably didn't give him a fair shake. Because his words remind me of the way most of the conservatives I know (who once were republican but went to the tea party after the bush /cheney playbook disaster...and now believe the mess was all caused because bush was too liberal....so of course the answer is to go even more to the right
Sorry...I go off on a tangent cause I just cant wrap my head around it....just seems like the craziest thinking to me. I don't get how seemingly normal nice people can think like this...it really weirds me out....lol.
Then I hear things like this from frankfurt:
"In addition to equality of resources and equality of welfare,
several other modes of equality may be distinguished: equality
of opportunity, equal respect, equal rights, equal consideration,
equal concern, and so on. My view is that none of these
modes of equality is intrinsically valuable. Hence, 1 maintain
that none of the egalitarian ideals corresponding to them has
any underived moral worth. Once various conceptual misunderstandings
and confusions are dispelled, it appears finally
that equality as such is of no moral importance."
And it's the same exact crazy I hear from my family and friends. Of course follow by racist, sexist, war mongering etc. remarks. I am saying I may have been wrong about frankfurt but it is because I have an exposed nerve now from constantly having to condense a million page argument into one little poignant sentence/catch phrase because that is the only way they are able to grasp a complex thought. I know that sounds conceited but it's not...it's just that I am tired. It's really really hard. Let me give you an example of what I go through every single day...
Tea party-er: Damn Mexicans coming over here having them anchor babies so they can stay in america and get our healthcare and social security for free! They should send the lot of them back to Mexico.
What AS wants to say:
1. According to our laws, people born in the US are legal US citizens.
2.I don't think immigrants can get social security or free health care but they should be able to as no one should have to suffer. But by our laws they are entitled to emergency care. At least there is a little compassion.
3.It would be more expensive to round them all up send them all back than it would be to grant them amnesty. Plus not to mention they would get back somehow or someway...because they have a will...and where there is a will there is a way.
4.You'd probably do the same in the same situation.
5. ...and so onto my bigger soapbox....lol. (Sorry but the offense I take at such statements sends my head reeling at all that is wrong with the above anchor baby remark!)
What AS really says (because they only have the attention span of a gnat...and thats coming from me...who has no attention span!): Don't blame the child for the sins of the parent (Although I don't think coming to america is a sin.It's just that a one liner is the only thing to stop them and get them to think a tad bit about what they are saying. It simply breaking a law that is the stupidest anti freedom law I have ever heard of...that we can espoused the sentiment on the statue of liberty about 'give me your tired and poor...'and then have a law like that...is stupid. Sorry.)
AS: I admit...I didn't give it [the article ] a fair shake...perhaps if I understood it better I would see my error. So thanks for asking questions the way only you can ask
M: I did wonder at the speed of reaction/response ! Everybody has their own questions, perspectives and ways of asking. Hope that someone will be patient with ours - and perhaps change our understanding - for the better
There might be a 'yes, yes, yes' moment...of the yummy kind.
AS: That's all I'm asking. I shouldn't have gotten all up in frankfurt's face until I understand him better.