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marjoramblues
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Frackin' hell...

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...'How dare you lie on national television !!' - Vanessa Vine.

http://www.channel4.com/news/fracking-b ... manchester

A 7 min vid.

The description reads:
MP Peter Lilley clashes with anti-fracking protester Vanessa Vine over the harms of fracking and Britain's fossil fuel habit.
but it was more like: 'Mother Earth shaking Lilley to his core !!'

So, what are the facts and consequences of fracking ? Who to believe ?
Anyone know whose best interests it serves ?
What is the scientific truth...
Skip
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You can compare the language and tone of these two sources, even if you don't know the technical details.
... (OSI) previously headed by New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Joe Martens, last seen several months ago fishing at some undisclosed location. OSI, in turn, is closely connected with the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). These organizations operate in the fashion of an old-fashioned cartel with overlapping memberships, which is hardly a surprise given the impetus for all of them came from the Rockefeller family, which built its fortune on such tactics.
http://naturalgasnow.org/fracking-junk- ... th-part-1/

vs
The study—which is part of a larger Duke project studying the effect of fracking on water—doesn’t show that fracking is inherently unsafe, but does show that without proper controls, the wastewater being dumped into the environment daily represents a very real danger for local residents.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... am-351641/


I don't think it's much of a contest. Though both have illustrations whose relevance I didn't understand, the Smithsonian article doesn't cast aspersions on anyone's character or motives; confines itself to the results of the single preliminary study and doesn't even mention all the other hazards, like flammable tap water, methane escaping into the air, contributing to green house effect, and
Earthquake activity has spiked recently in parts of the central United States where shale rock is increasingly being mined for natural gas and oil.
https://student.societyforscience.org/a ... and-quakes

Sounds pretty dangerous to me. But then, I thought deep ocean oil drilling was a bad idea. So what do I know?
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http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... uW4-eoo7cs

fracking is great

leftist totalitarians masquerading as environmentalists need to be exposed

-Imp
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... nnsylvania

Its more about issues of trust and over here the company that drilled the first tests have already shown their willingness to cover up by denying that they caused a minor earthquake, which they later had to admit they had. Now this is probably no biggy to Americans but we are a very small country in comparison so contamination of the water table and earthquakes could be a major issue in comparison, given how densely-populated we are compared to the States.

I am currently raising another issue with my local MP about fracking as I have it on reasonable authority that the process will effectively destroy out deep-mine coal seams, so I've asked if this is true as I've heard nothing about such a possible consequence in the debates. If true it appears a short-termist policy as whilst I understand that coal is environmentally, economically and politically unpopular at present the last estimates of the UKs very high-quality deep-mine coal reserves was anything from 300-500 years worth of energy and the fracking companies themselves have said they estimate 100 years of fracked gas over here, so seems irresponsible to future generations to me given that, barring some revolution in Physics, energy sources will only be going-up in value.
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Thanks for responses.
Skip: You can compare the language and tone of these two sources, even if you don't know the technical details.
M: Did that, thanks. There does seem to be a lot of hot air; shame we can't harness it.

To frack or not to frack?

Will we even have a say in the matter ? Even if we had all the facts to hand; a list of pros and cons.
Cameron is burning green.
1,000's of protective laws - which took how long to build. OK, I don't know what they all consist of; probably some are stoopid. But many are to prevent land being destroyed, aren't they.
What is wrong with that.
Is it right that laws can be ripped up like that - to suit who exactly? The frackers.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... egulations
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