Home Invasions by Criminals

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Is it reasonable to rejoice at the death of Gypsy Watts? Why or why not?

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Home Invasions by Criminals

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A homeowner shot and killed an armed man who allegedly broke into his house west of Sandstone, Minn., early Thursday, the Pine County Sheriff’s Office reported.

Gypsy Watts, 23, was killed after entering the house of the 75-year-old man, whom officials have not yet named.

Watts, of Sandstone, has a criminal history in Pine County and North Dakota, Blackwell said. Watts was convicted in Minnesota of carrying a pistol without a permit, among other things. In 2009, he pleaded guilty in North Dakota to robbery and burglary charges, records show.
http://www.startribune.com/local/231980351.html

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As an old man residing alone, I rejoice that there is now one less dangerous criminal acting near my home.

This consequence of his misuse of his personal freedom was reasonably foreseeable. This consequence (the criminal intruder's death from an act of self-defense by the homeowner) was lawful (within the limits of the law) and, therefore, was just.

One should hope that the circumstances of his death will deter other criminals who are tempted to engage in home invasions.
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tbieter wrote:As an old man residing alone, I rejoice that there is now one less dangerous criminal acting near my home.

This consequence of his misuse of his personal freedom was reasonably foreseeable. This consequence (the criminal intruder's death from an act of self-defense by the homeowner) was lawful (within the limits of the law) and, therefore, was just.

One should hope that the circumstances of his death will deter other criminals who are tempted to engage in home invasions.
But see:
https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/gypsywatts
https://www.facebook.com/proofthatsheisworthit
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As a former cop, I say good riddance. Give the old man a medal for disposing of this human trash and ultimately saving the taxpayers thousands of $$$.
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He robbed convenience stores in North Dakota.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/s ... y%20watts/
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MMasz wrote:As a former cop, I say good riddance. Give the old man a medal for disposing of this human trash and ultimately saving the taxpayers thousands of $$$.
I'm surprised that no one has disagreed with your labeling Watts as "human trash". Don't all human beings have an essential human dignity? Are not all human beings good, more or less, evil being just a privation of the good?

Here is a recent thread on "human dignity"
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11876

The author never did state her opinion on the fundamental ground of human dignity>
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It is outrageous that he was killed for merely trying to steal! The 75 year old must be sent to jail!
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Strangely, sometimes deterrence seems to work and sometimes it doesn´t.

In Sweden (and maybe in Norway too) people used to leave their homes open because nobody dared to steal anything because thieves got their hands cut off for punishment.

Perhaps it was so in the past, I don´t know about today.

Does anyone live in Scandinavia and can report about the amount of larceny there nowadays ?

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There is a difference between simple stealing and robbery or breaking into a home in order to steal.
The second case is much more severe because it involves violence and thus bears a threat to the body and life of the home´s owner.
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Lol, people got their hands cut off throughout the medieval era for many things, but you'd have to go to the middle east to see such things today. Amputation is strictly forbidden as punishment in any modern country and there are worldwide strict rules about what can and cannot be used as punishment, only a handful of backwards countries still have it. And you'll end up years in prison if you'd kill somebody merely for breaking into your house in Norway. It would be considered murder of full degree.

You can of course defend yourself, but if the criminals are heavily armed (guns, knives) it is considered folly to do anything but call and wait for police and get away from the scene.
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And you'll end up years in prison if you'd kill somebody merely for breaking into your house in Norway. It would be considered murder of full degree.
Ok, so in Norway, if some stranger breaks in to your house you are required to provide the stranger with a questionaire so that you can properly assess their intentions. This questionaire should then be mailed to the appropriate local authorities, who will process the form according to the relevant government regulations, and return an answer to you within 7 days.
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In a possible home invasion last night, a prominent physician was slain.
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/2 ... page=1&c=y
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Felasco wrote:
And you'll end up years in prison if you'd kill somebody merely for breaking into your house in Norway. It would be considered murder of full degree.
Ok, so in Norway, if some stranger breaks in to your house you are required to provide the stranger with a questionaire so that you can properly assess their intentions. This questionaire should then be mailed to the appropriate local authorities, who will process the form according to the relevant government regulations, and return an answer to you within 7 days.
Or just pre-emptively get away, alternatively confront the person with his/hers action and judge by tension whether it's safe to stay. In most cases I think it would be safe to stay, as the burglars aren't likely wanting to get caught, so they'll likely make a run for it as soon as you show up.
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tbieter wrote:In a possible home invasion last night, a prominent physician was slain.
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/2 ... page=1&c=y
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Amazing, a young lawyer, a 2009 graduate of a Catholic law school, allegedly goes to his mother's doctor's home and kills the doctor. He apparently missed the school's lectures on natural law:

"The law-school graduate suspected of shooting and killing a prominent OB-GYN physician in Orono was angry about how the doctor had handled his mother’s medical care, authorities said Monday.

The suspected killer, Ted C. Hoffstrom, 30, a University of St. Thomas law school graduate from St. Anthony, was shot and killed Friday night by Orono police outside the home of Dr. Stephen Larson, 74, when he confronted police with a semiautomatic handgun that was used to shoot Larson multiple times. “Diligent attempts to negotiate” with Hoffstrom failed and he was shot and killed, authorities said Monday.

“This is a tragedy of epic proportions for both families involved as well as the community of Orono,” Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek said Monday afternoon at a news conference in Minneapolis.

Hoffstrom’s motive is still unclear, Stanek said, but Hoffstrom had expressed hostility toward Larson’s family because of how the doctor had treated Hoffstrom’s mother in an undisclosed medical situation."
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/232358621.html

From the law school's mission statement:
"Because we are a Catholic law school, we can be open about our beliefs. We can talk about how faith and reason can be integrated not only in the world of ideas but also in the day-to-day lives of practicing attorneys. Our faculty members challenge students to consider how they can practice law consistently with their personal convictions, including those grounded in faith. Our students are able to strengthen and refine their moral compasses while learning the law. In short, religious considerations can be put “on the table” at this Catholic law school in a way they cannot at a secular law school. Our community fosters and reflects all the views and perspectives found at a secular law school but also encourages students to share their faith perspectives."
http://www.stthomas.edu/law/
http://www.stthomas.edu/media/schoolofl ... us/640.pdf
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Any explanations for why such things occurs so often in America and hardly at all, if ever, in Norway?
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Arising_uk wrote:Any explanations for why such things occurs so often in America and hardly at all, if ever, in Norway?
The U.S. has a much greater population than Norway. We have violent Black subcultures in our large cities (e.g. Detroit).
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