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Kuznetzova wrote:http://xkcd.com/1240/

Quantum mechanics is a genuine science in terms of theories, observations and experiments, so the question of souls doesn't really enter into the equation. Any scientific interpretation of consciousness would only see the observer as nothing more than a casual agent. The possible exception to this would be Hameroff who puts himself on the very fringe of science when he proposes a theory of a "quantum soul."
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All animals including man share the same consciouness.but man is the one that pokes his nose in so to speak has to try and find out this and that trapped in the knowledge of the event.we all go to the same kingdom after death animals included..a dog does not interfere with consciouness by wanting to know and un known.its only the falling of consciousness in man which enqiures that causes the quantum effect.its the enqiuring which intrudes.something (a brain ) is try to intrude into nothing (consciousness) its own .so the quantum effect is a brain consciousness thing.
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jackles wrote:All animals including man share the same consciouness.but man is the one that pokes his nose in so to speak has to try and find out this and that trapped in the knowledge of the event.we all go to the same kingdom after death animals included..a dog does not interfere with consciouness by wanting to know and un known.its only the falling of consciousness in man which enqiures that causes the quantum effect.its the enqiuring which intrudes.something (a brain ) is try to intrude into nothing (consciousness) its own .so the quantum effect is a brain consciousness thing.
If we run with hameroff a bit longer it is possible to conclude that 'consciousness' can take place in any living organism. That is to say, any organism that has microtubules. This can include even simple organisms. Consciousness in the instance of simple organisms means that these structures that make up the organism carry out quantum computations.

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule
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No it doesnt back ground consciousness(nonlocal) runs the event like clockwork.
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jackles wrote:No it doesnt back ground consciousness(nonlocal) runs the event like clockwork.

So you are saying that microtubules don't have a quantum function?
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An animals consciouness no matter how vague is certain.as in it does not identify its self with the event .it has no event identity so they animals are in nonlocal identiy as far as consciouness goes.they animals remain in certainty.where as man is dual natured with an event identity and there for in uncertainy.when an observer looks at the light experiment he is in uncertain localised consiousness this causes the result of uncertainty in the experiment.then the same observer walks down the street the next day if he has a clear unthinking mind he will be in normal dual consciousness.not sure about that last bit.but the experiment on light duality is affected by the uncertainty of the viewers consciousness.if it was certain it wouldnt be looking so to speak.
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Ok we have to try to make things clearer .to put things in phychlogical terms may help.so we have the ego which is the observer.the super ego is unlocal super consciousness.and the event identity of the ego observer is the id.an investigation such as the quantum light experiment breaks the law of nonlocality. It the very act of doing the light experiment means uncertainty . nonlocality on the other hand is a condition of absolute certainty.so the experiment which takes place in a location is its self only relative . but the experiment is also at the same time taking place in the nonlocal super consciousness of the observers mind.an uncertainty experiment taking placea in absolute certainty consciousness.but the ego observer may not be aware of the super nonlocal status of the suprer consciouness that he is in whilst doing the experiment..hard to rite about this stuff .regs jackles
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