You are the one who condemns. If only you held everyone and everything to the same standards for questioning and consistency... you would condemn less instead of more.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:04 pmThey stand condemned by their own account. They don't need my help.
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That was the conclusion after every torture session during the Middle Ages after which you burn the body to save the soul. After all, that's what Christianity is all about...saving souls; burning alive as the ultimate exorcism.
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Nope. Don't have to.
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Oh, Dube....
If we could harness your brain power, we could...
...make some toast.
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Technically of course, the soul was saved before immolation…
(Sorry, it’s my detail oriented nature.)
Carry on …
(Sorry, it’s my detail oriented nature.)
Carry on …
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Wow. Such a creepy fantasy world you live in.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:52 amNope. Don't have to.Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:21 pmYou are the one who condemns.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:04 pm
They stand condemned by their own account. They don't need my help.
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You must be losing your mind:Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:46 pmWell though I protested, you went on as if I had never said it at all, and didn't even address it.tillingborn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:51 pmI have never ignored that you deny having a "Pravda", I just don't think it's true.
tillingborn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:04 pmI got fed up waiting for you to explain so I looked it up. It is as I suspected:
""Legacy media" is politi-speak that political conservatives use to identify long-standing ("mature") media outlets (such as the TV news networks - ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc., and the major print news services - New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times., etc.) Typically, these ostensibly "left-wing" news outlets are critical of conservative political agendas."
The outlets that use 'legacy media' in this way are your Pravda news. And that you use it in the same way convinces me that you have bought into a narrative expressed by media that have an obvious interest in persuading you that their rivals are dishonest. What would convince me otherwise would be if you were to say some things that couldn't seamlessly be stitched into a Fox news broadcast.
tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:04 amYou agreed that:Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:52 pmThe legacy media depend on the appearance of objectivity and truthfulness.If you are alert enough to appreciate that, you should also understand that the media do not depend on "the appearance of objectivity and truthfulness"; they depend on selling a product you are willing to buy. You should consider that when you use a term like "The legacy media". Why do they need to be distinguished from other media? Who says so? Why did you buy it?tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:19 amThe media is owned and/or run by people with political interests, which will influence the news they report and how they report it, that is just a fact of life.
And so on. Quite apart from the demonstrable fact that I have addressed it multiple times, are you so deluded to believe that a protest from you is enough to erase the overwhelming evidence against you?tillingborn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:51 pmYour problem is that the Bible is your "Pravda". That you feel the need to interpret all of it in a way that is sympathetic to your own beliefs, or at least what you think your beliefs should be, plays havoc with your critical faculties. The media you rely on know this and feed you nonsense that makes you angry or frightened; because that is what holds your attention and makes them money.
Do you mean "authorities"? That sounds awfully like Pravda news.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:46 pmYou can criticize me, criticize my authorities, and anything else you like.
Is this an example?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:46 pmBut it does not explain at all why the legacy news media have so blatantly reversed themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t60dmGjKbPc
But this has:Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:46 pmThat's not a matter that has anything at all to do with me.
As does this:
Neither is true, which makes this all the richer:
As seeds says:Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:46 pmThey screwed that up all on their own. And it's to themselves that they are exposed as unfaithful.
You screwed up that all on your own, and you can't find it in your shrivelled 'Christian' soul to admit it, much less apologise. It is to yourself that you are exposed as unfaithful.
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Dear Immanuel,Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:54 amOh, Dube....
If we could harness your brain power, we could...
...make some toast.
I vehemently protest this gratuitous unjustified ad hominem from someone who rarely ceased to deserve his own. Can such a person ever be trusted who casts such aspersions against any of his interlocutors simply because he cannot properly answer them! Such egregious discrepancies in the art of argumentation! If I knew who to pray to I'd generously offer a few prayers at no charge in the hope of turning your Torquemada mentality into a St. Francis one. But alas! no such transformation seems possible. Woe is you!
With that out of the way, I wish to say that my brain does indeed occasionally feel somewhat fried but what can you say about a mind that acknowledges history to begin with Adam & Eve eventually working its way up to an apotheosis called Jesus who must be believed in if one's soul isn't to permanently fry in hell...a process which begins with the burning of all heretics and perceived witches as a prelude of things to come.
If it were possible to update your brain with merely a fraction of the abundance of historical and scientific data obtained since then, you'd almost seem contemporary!
Unfortunately as it stands, your mental algorithms begin and end with 1st century programming which doesn't require logic for defence but only bible quotes whose singular authority far exceeds anything which came after.
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True. Christianity has always been about compulsion and conformityRWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
It has always been exactly that. THough these codes were never that simple, but were confused and contradictory.Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Except that the church hierarchy are doing all the informing, and the plebs have been doing all the obeying.Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
And it has been these compulsions, and confusions that have made Christianity decline into a minority religion in the UK.Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
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To what? Comprehending that there are reasons to second think your actions?Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:26 amTrue. Christianity has always been about compulsion and conformityRWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Is good oui?
How confusing is this, the simplest code:- Don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to you.Sculptor wrote:It has always been exactly that. THough these codes were never that simple, but were confused and contradictory.RW wrote:Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
It would appear that way in any 'heirarchical' system.Sculptor wrote:Except that the church hierarchy are doing all the informing, and the plebs have been doing all the obeying.RW wrote:Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Actually, on a re-read you are probably right. Especially where evangelist fundamental bigotry is reflected via idiotic interpretations of "Christianity"..Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:26 amAnd it has been these compulsions, and confusions that have made Christianity decline into a minority religion in the UK.RWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
Britain truly has benefitted socially through time as a landmass where the moral tenets of Christianity sweeped its shores and overwashed its lands...it has served its purpose, making (most) people second think their actions - (call that ethics if u must).
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True, but also untrue. Christianity has also a unique feature of presenting an example of taking an absolute and principled stand against reigning authority and convention. That is one of its essences. The Christian as opponent of conventions and conformity snd one who stands up for a new order of being.
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Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:26 amTrue. Christianity has always been about compulsion and conformityRWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.It has always been exactly that. THough these codes were never that simple, but were confused and contradictory.Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.Except that the church hierarchy are doing all the informing, and the plebs have been doing all the obeying.Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.And it has been these compulsions, and confusions that have made Christianity decline into a minority religion in the UK.Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
To continue Sculptor's theme I'd say most people are not religious in the UK because education levels are higher, and curriculums are better structured than they were formerly especially among younger people. Improved education helps people to think for themselves and not accept sermons from ministers of religion. Educated parents tend to rear educated offspring.
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Well I remember my last day of school prior to emmigrating and joining a school for infidels.Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:10 pm To continue Sculptor's theme I'd say most people are not religious in the UK because education levels are higher, and curriculums are better structured than they were formerly especially among younger people. Improved education helps people to think for themselves and not accept sermons from ministers of religion. Educated parents tend to rear educated offspring.
Our class of religion (where all us lads would play up- run amock etc) required everyone to do a 400 word essay on the topic of 'faith'.
Well.
Now that I know God to exist, and the tests and trials of cuntfuckery this 'jew' has put me thru - I could probably write at least 401 words on the topic of FAITH. (actually a shot load more)
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That's an interesting take on it. You could make the case that it was the Old Testament story of Abraham being tested by God, (Genesis 22) but in that version what it showed is "Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:31 pm...I believe Christ is supposedly the one who broke the entire cycle of humans sacrificing anything other than our own tempers and destructive thoughts and told to replace those thoughts with love for God and love for one another. Although I have to admit it's a difficult thing to do (love everyone).
I can't help thinking that if there is a god, it really can't be as described in any holy book I'm aware of, and certainly not the Old Testament. To demand that you are feared and loved doesn't strike me as the basis for a healthy relationship.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:31 pmI believe Christ was on to something profound. Though, I do feel resentment at times that God apparently created such a world where we have struggle with so many things, such as to love one another. (Assuming there is a God.)