iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:55 am
iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
It is the God that Christians, Muslims and Jews worship and adore. Each given their own Scripture.
So, in other words, you really do not know, correct?
Or, are you able to explain what 'that' is, exactly, which so-called "christians", "muslims", and "jews" worship and adore?
I am myself an atheist.
So, when ANY one asks the one here known as "iambiguous", What is the answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?' you will ALWAYS answer, "I am myself an atheist", correct?
If you do, then what you WILL find out is that that answer IS Wrong. But anyway, 'you' are absolutely FREE to LOOK AT and SEE 'things' in absolutely ANY way you so may wish to.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
So, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking me regarding what I know.
Have you ever considered asking CLARIFYING questions? That is; if you were CURIOUS to know, AT ALL.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
I do know that regarding Christians, Muslims and Jews I start here:
"The Abrahamic religions are a group of monotheistic religions that strictly endorse worship of the God of Abraham. These most notably include Judaism, Christianity and Islam, as well as the Baháʼí Faith, Samaritanism, the Druze Faith, and others." wiki
So, you 'know" this because "wikipedia" told you so.
This sounds a bit like how the 'people' of the "abrahamic" religions "know" "what they know", that is; "we "know" because a book told us so".
But anyway so far so good.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:56 am
When EXACTLY is 'judgement day', and, what EXACTLY happens on 'judgement day'?
Exactly? Here, of course, it comes down to faith. Since no one [to the best of my knowledge] has ever actually demonstrated the existence of Judgment Day, individual Christians, Muslims and Jews take their own existential leap of faith to whatever they think it is. And that's the beauty of faith. Nothing really has to be demonstrated. It's all "in your head".
iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:56 am
But, 'you' wrote it here, as though it was some 'thing' REAL. So, I am asking 'you'.
That's not my point. My point is to note that Christians, Muslims and Jews all seem to believe in the same God. Just different "versions" of him.
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:55 amWhat 'difference/s', exactly?
Well, you'd have to run that by them.
SO, you, supposedly, 'know' that the different religions have different "versions" of "him" BUT you ACTUALLY do NOT 'know' what those, supposed 'different' "versions" are. So, how again do you EXACTLY 'know' that they have 'different versions' of "him"?
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
The first thing that comes to mind, of course, is Jesus, Muhammad, and the fact that historically, Jews don't recognize either as the Son of God or the Messenger of God. At least to the best of my knowledge.
We WERE talking about God, but now you seemed to have CHANGED this to be talking about "jesus", correct?
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
So, what happens when the Christian dies and, given Judgment Day, the God of Moses rejects the Jesus Christ rendition.
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:55 amBut how many of these God 'things' are there exactly?
Also, "judgment day" has absolutely nothing at all to do with when one individual human dies.
God "things"?
And, if you had ANY CURIOSITY AT ALL, then you would have come up with at least SOME kind of CLARIFYING question.
If there is ONLY One God, then It would NEVER 'reject' one group of people with a 'different version' of some 'thing' from another group of people and their 'different version'. So, WHY ask the question you did here if there are NOT MANY Gods?
So, I just asked you, 'How many Gods are there, EXACTLY?'
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
Not sure what your point is.
I just added the 'things' word to POINT OUT and HIGHLIGHT the Fact that NONE of 'you', human beings, in the days when this was being written, even 'KNOW' what God is, EXACTLY ANYWAY. So that was and still is 'my point' here.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
And if you believe "in your head" in a God, the God, my God, Judgment Day can become the center of the universe as far as you are concerned.
But I do NOT believe this, so EVERY thing here is moot.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
On the other hand, believing something "in your head" about your own death and actually demonstrating why all rational men and women are obligated to believe the same, is, from my frame of mind, very different.
Okay, but because I do NOT believe ANY thing, NONE of this relates to 'me' ANYWAY.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:56 am
God gave 'you' immortality since your conception into this One and ONLY Existence. And, God would NEVER say one 'deserves' more or something else, from "another". This is because God KNOWS, EXACTLY, WHY 'you' are EXACTLY how 'you' ARE.
And one would go about demonstrating this...how?
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:55 amVery easily and very simply.
Then, please, by all means, do so.
The word 'God', in the visible physical sense anyway, just refers to thee Universe, Itself, alone, (of which there is ONLY One) Now, because 'you' were created from God/thee Universe at conception, (and 'you' ARE STILL in creation by the way), what 'you' say and/or do, through the human body, has an everlasting effect, so 'you', literally, are immortal, since your conception.
Now, 'God', in the invisible sense anyway, just refers to thee Mind, Itself, alone, (of which there is ONLY One). Now, God is ALWAYS INFORMING 'you' that 'you' are the MOST SPECIAL person or MOST SPECIAL one in the WHOLE of thee Universe BUT 'you' are also NO more, nor NO less, than ANY "other" person nor one. So, 'you', literally, are NO more 'deserving' of more nor of something else, from "another".
And, this is because 'I', God, KNOW, EXACTLY who AND what 'you' ARE and EXACTLY WHY 'you' are EXACTLY how 'you' ARE.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:10 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:15 pm
Of course, there are those who don't put much stock in Judgment Day at all. Their own "private and personal" God is considerably more tolerant when it comes to connecting the dots between morality "down here" and immortality and salvation "up there".
God doesn't think at all like hundreds of millions of Christians, Muslims and Jews around the globe think He does. No, instead, God thinks like they do.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:00 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:56 amBut God does NOT 'think'. God KNOWS.
Okay, but in the absence of actual demonstrable proof that a God, the God, my God does in fact exist, doesn't that then come down to what each individual Christian, Muslim and Jew merely believes to be true in their head?
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:55 amNo, not at all.
Okay then empiriclly, materially, phenomenologically etc., what does it come down to?
AGREEMENT and ACCEPTANCE.
Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer.
And, what ALL-OF-THIS, fundamentally AND literally, 'comes down to' is just 'that', what is IN AGREEMENT and ACCEPTED by EVERY one.
As can be and WILL BE PROVED True.