I am very patient (I am in hospital and am about to die <- a little joke). Patient is an interesting word of two meanings don't you think - do you think both forms of the word originates from the same etymological root? - one is to wait, the other is to be in wait as is ill.Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:00 pmI was just about to respond to your original post when I encountered this one. Not very patient are you. Since you think I need a brain scan the following won't change your mind.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:56 pm
I'm still thinking you need a brain scan since you posted this, and failed to answer:-
What did Nietzsche do in the name of giving hope and promoting love to people?
Well, according to you one of us at least needs our brain scanned!
Ya, sorry I chopped off the lengthy stuff.
I'm going to concentrate on the comparison that you draw:-...according to you-->
Jesus:- was nothing more than a cultist preacher who never once proved himself useful.
Nietzsche:- is immeasurably more valuable than some ancient back alley preacher who got himself crucified for the most stupid of reasons.
Christ, and Christianity (excluding the bigoted scum Evangelists in the US) provide us with a place of solace when loved ones depart, as in attending a beautiful church\cathedral where we can all contemplate the 'passing' of a loved one, and consider such things as an eternal soul. (very useful)
---: How did Nietzsche go on this side of things - death? Was there much love and hope he provided there - to billions of people?
Ergo, you are misunderstanding the entire reasoning of Christ (Jesus). To believe in Jesus, is to ACT as He insisted, that is the condition, to love one another, and God. Not much to ask considering what He ultimately did to 'broadcast' such a message two thousand years ago.Dubious wrote:..unlike the NT requirement that one must love and believe in Jesus to be saved and receive the tributes of salvation.
That is something that we cannot be certain of, since the Christian ethos has and is embedded within the psyche of our society for close to two thousand years, past down generations, whether one believes or not, it has permeated. Intelligent atheists understand, that being benevolent to others has its rewards, it makes most of us feel good.Dubious wrote:There is no demand that I must believe someone or something to be deemed worthy of what is freely given by those with some degree of empathy which I believe not uncommon in most of us when called for.
I tend to agree, I doubt the bigoted Evangelists would.Dubious wrote:Here are a few quotes - referring to love mostly - by him (Nietzsche) who IC denigrates as a syphilitic madman>>
“The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind.”
I tend to agree, but it depends on what it is one is seeking upon ones way. If one is seeking any truth to the existence of God, certainly what Christ stated in the bible appears paramount, from my experience. Basically, to know God is to believe in him (Christ).Dubious wrote:“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
I disagree that God wants to be praised all the time. It demands a level of respect, and certainly deserves it. From experience, it doesn't seem to give much of a flying crap about being 'worshipped' either. It appears to appreciate us when we thank God for what we have, even if it appears to be very little.Dubious wrote:“I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.”
Well, that's part of it. I as a Christian panentheist understand and rejoice others and their cultures. Indeed, I find it fascinating when I get an Uber or Taxi home and discuss a Seikh, Hindu or Muslim's perception of God - as it manifested throughout their culture via those that would have been communicated to via God.Dubious wrote:“What else is love but understanding and rejoicing in the fact that another person lives acts and experiences otherwise than we do?”
I am not sure what is being said here regarding 'beyond' - good - evil, it is too difficult to discern the context Nietzsche is attempting to convey.Dubious wrote:“What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil.”
Same goes for atheism.Dubious wrote:“Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.”
Anything that is demanded must have a valid caveat, in this case with regard to love and God, it is NOT demanded, just requested and the only beneficiary is the one that has faith in aforementioned love. God needs NOTHING - something it or the sage told me in my early years of gnosis.Dubious wrote:"The demand to be loved is the greatest of all arrogant presumptions."
There would be a lot more love and goodness in the world if people followed the actual words of Christ instead of man's religions. People nowadays cannot see Christ for the Churches - and those 'Churches' tend to be big money making ventures with PASTOR - ROT_SAPs that are probably as atheist as most, just cashing in on the gullible that take the buy_bull literally and listen to every stupid thing someone in a shiny suit tells them.Dubious wrote:"There is not enough love and goodness in the world to permit giving any of it away to imaginary beings."
Very very sad, if they (Christians) just refused to attend these auditoriums and read from the bible when inclined for themselves, they probably would feel a lot more connected to the truth of what Christ said and did, and the reasoning of it all.
I think I did my best. Nietzsche - clearly an intelligent man, but one that only saw a book full of contradictions and hypocrisy - of which it has much and so closed his mind to it all, the bible where one could be such a sap as to literally buy_bull.Dubious wrote:Make of it what you want!
Did he quote much from the bible, and quiz it? If so, I'd be interested in what he had to say about Genesis.
Are you still certain that Jesus has no purpose, and is indeed of a lesser purpose than Nietzsche?