What is the point of Higher Education?

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Sculptor wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:26 am Socialism killed it.
How much socialism would you like? You won't be happy until nobody has any freedom and everybody [except the party elite] are dirt poor. And then you'll say, "Well, this isn't exactly what is written in the manifestos."

Socialism is a scam. It always has been and always will be. How could it be any other way? Oh yeah, that's right, lets choose some really smart people to decide what life is going to be like for everybody else. What a great idea!!

You need to find some other idea to be the centerpiece of your fantasies.
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henry quirk wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:00 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:48 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:39 pm

ah, so the dead empire is now a thrivin' socialist nation, yeah?
Dead things never thrive. WHy not do yourself a favour and use a dictionary.
DEAD
adjective
1.
no longer alive.
eg "a dead body"

You are very versed at making an arse of yourself.
>ah, so the dead empire is now a thrivin' socialist nation, yeah?
No dead things do not thrive.
Are you THAT stupid?

meaning: what was once a thrivin' empire, died...from the carcass rose a mighty, thrivin', socialism that still exists today

see, the now in the sentence denotes the transformation from dead empire to livin' socialism, that did, and still does (right?), all manner of good things for people
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"How much socialism would you like? You won't be happy until nobody has any freedom and everybody [except the party elite] are dirt poor. And then you'll say, "Well, this isn't exactly what is written in the manifestos."

That's exactly what we'd say. I mean if it ain't socialism, it ain't socialism. Oh wait yer under the impression that socialism, as defined by Marx/Engels, has been tried already? Lemme guess... Stalinism, Maoism, Castroism, right? Ah jeez.

Yup, we got another one, Chuck. Take em out back. And be quick about it.
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promethean75 wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:35 pm "How much socialism would you like? You won't be happy until nobody has any freedom and everybody [except the party elite] are dirt poor. And then you'll say, "Well, this isn't exactly what is written in the manifestos."

That's exactly what we'd say. I mean if it ain't socialism, it ain't socialism. Oh wait yer under the impression that socialism, as defined by Marx/Engels, has been tried already? Lemme guess... Stalinism, Maoism, Castroism, right? Ah jeez.

Yup, we got another one, Chuck. Take em out back. And be quick about it.
How much capitalism do you want. People like you wont be happy until there is one very fat kunt owning all the money and everyone else is a slave, or dirt poor. THere would not no roads, no schools, the armies would be owned and paid for the the One fat kunt.
Then you would say oh wait we can't afford to pay for the schools for our children and we cant afford the toll on the road so I cant get to work and the wages are not enough to fee the family.
Shit that aint in the manifesto
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No point, if the writer of this thread is anything to go by.
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promethean75 wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:35 pm That's exactly what we'd say. I mean if it ain't socialism, it ain't socialism.
It's never socialism because socialism is a pipe-dream that always turns into a nightmare.

Human nature is what it is and no amount of dreaming is going to change it.
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No dead things do not thrive.

but, apparently, the maggot socialists do
Sculptor wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:11 pmimprovements in education have always been when socialism has had the reigns of power.
henry quirk wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:31 amwait, when was that?
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:21 pmUK 1945, 1964, 1974
NHS
Ecucation Act
Grants for higher education.
henry quirk wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:43 pmwas the empire socialist?
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:20 pmDuh
henry quirk wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:24 pmso, why is it not socialist now? (or, is it?)
...a bit of diversionary blah-blah-blah which brings us to back the questions (asked, this time without snarky reference to dead or empire)...

was Britain, at the time of those reforms you list, socialist?

is Britain, today, socialist?
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:05 pm How much capitalism do you want. People like you wont be happy until there is one very fat kunt owning all the money and everyone else is a slave, or dirt poor. THere would not no roads, no schools, the armies would be owned and paid for the the One fat kunt.
Then you would say oh wait we can't afford to pay for the schools for our children and we cant afford the toll on the road so I cant get to work and the wages are not enough to fee the family.
Shit that aint in the manifesto
For you folks, it's all or none.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:06 pm No point, if the writer of this thread is anything to go by.
Well it does make a lot of easy money for those who pull it off. It's very much like any crime syndicate scam, only less risky.
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It's all rather simple.

Rich kids (like their parents) go to paid for private schools where their friendships and bonds are created.

Some of those kids head into politics, some of those kids head into private enterprise with the backing of lots of family capital, trusts.

The ones in politics, give a heads up to their mates in the private sector, and the ones in the private sector make BIG donations to ones in politics.

Scratchy backs all the way up to $$$$$, and the process repeats with their brat offspring.

(*who btw tend to be misogynist cunts that rape and sexually harass women that dare to 'infiltrate' their private boys club of party politics...because they feel entitled to do so)


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attofishpi wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:12 am It's all rather simple.

Rich kids (like their parents) go to paid for private schools where their friendships and bonds are created.

Some of those kids head into politics, some of those kids head into private enterprise with the backing of lots of family capital, trusts.

The ones in politics, give a heads up to their mates in the private sector, and the ones in the private sector make BIG donations to ones in politics.

Scratchy backs all the way up to $$$$$, and the process repeats with their brat offspring.

(*who btw tend to be misogynist cunts that rape and sexually harass women that dare to 'infiltrate' their private boys club of party politics...because they feel entitled to do so)


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Then there are kids who work hard to get an education and/or are genuinely talented.
Despite being more capable they tend not to do as well because all the right wing brats with their school ties like Boris.

One reason I am proud to call myself a socialist.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:08 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:12 am It's all rather simple.

Rich kids (like their parents) go to paid for private schools where their friendships and bonds are created.

Some of those kids head into politics, some of those kids head into private enterprise with the backing of lots of family capital, trusts.

The ones in politics, give a heads up to their mates in the private sector, and the ones in the private sector make BIG donations to ones in politics.

Scratchy backs all the way up to $$$$$, and the process repeats with their brat offspring.

(*who btw tend to be misogynist cunts that rape and sexually harass women that dare to 'infiltrate' their private boys club of party politics...because they feel entitled to do so)


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Then there are kids who work hard to get an education and/or are genuinely talented.
Despite being more capable they tend not to do as well because all the right wing brats with their school ties like Boris.
Yes, higher education is full with people enthusiastic about their education with a view to better themselves and society in general. Unfortunately, most of the types of people that see politics as a future career goal tend to be those with big egos and self interest as their motivation.

Sculptor wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:08 pmOne reason I am proud to call myself a socialist.
Not sure if this constitutes a socialist style of operation, can't say I have ever studied or paid much attention to politics on the whole.

Recently an Australian canning (predominantly fruit) company - SPC - was close to having to close financial collapse and hence huge job losses. A friend of mine told me that they decided to make everyone shareholders of the company, and hey presto - the business is back to success. It makes sense, one can imagine employees contemplating ways to make the business more efficient - skilled workers from all facets of the business would be considering their own work routine and ways improve, and everyone would be open to discuss such things. It should be a standard model for all businesses.

As far as higher education goes where it comes to pursuits in the fields of science - what is the point in the US, where scientists appear to be sneered at and their value ignored, as if they have some conspiracy at play. It tends to be the right wing side of political support that have NO comprehension as to why we (society on the whole) encourage bright kids to get into science and progress to the point of becoming experts in a particular field, when at the end of the day, if these experts tell them something they don't want to hear (because they are going to have to make alterations to their lifestyle) they denounce them as if they don't know what they're talking about!
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:43 am
Sculptor wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:08 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:12 am It's all rather simple.

Rich kids (like their parents) go to paid for private schools where their friendships and bonds are created.

Some of those kids head into politics, some of those kids head into private enterprise with the backing of lots of family capital, trusts.

The ones in politics, give a heads up to their mates in the private sector, and the ones in the private sector make BIG donations to ones in politics.

Scratchy backs all the way up to $$$$$, and the process repeats with their brat offspring.

(*who btw tend to be misogynist cunts that rape and sexually harass women that dare to 'infiltrate' their private boys club of party politics...because they feel entitled to do so)


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Then there are kids who work hard to get an education and/or are genuinely talented.
Despite being more capable they tend not to do as well because all the right wing brats with their school ties like Boris.
Yes, higher education is full with people enthusiastic about their education with a view to better themselves and society in general. Unfortunately, most of the types of people that see politics as a future career goal tend to be those with big egos and self interest as their motivation.

Sculptor wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:08 pmOne reason I am proud to call myself a socialist.
Not sure if this constitutes a socialist style of operation, can't say I have ever studied or paid much attention to politics on the whole.
THe second part of the sentence explains the first.

Recently an Australian canning (predominantly fruit) company - SPC - was close to having to close financial collapse and hence huge job losses. A friend of mine told me that they decided to make everyone shareholders of the company, and hey presto - the business is back to success.
That is what socialists call a collective.
It makes sense, one can imagine employees contemplating ways to make the business more efficient - skilled workers from all facets of the business would be considering their own work routine and ways improve, and everyone would be open to discuss such things. It should be a standard model for all businesses.
Yes, when socialists ideas are put into practice they can prove very successful.

As far as higher education goes where it comes to pursuits in the fields of science - what is the point in the US, where scientists appear to be sneered at and their value ignored, as if they have some conspiracy at play. It tends to be the right wing side of political support that have NO comprehension as to why we (society on the whole) encourage bright kids to get into science and progress to the point of becoming experts in a particular field, when at the end of the day, if these experts tell them something they don't want to hear (because they are going to have to make alterations to their lifestyle) they denounce them as if they don't know what they're talking about!
Anti-intellectualism is a problem both sides of the pond. And although Americans sneer at the British attitude to rank and privilege, it is little different in the US, where "Money counts", especially old money, above capability and education. They have their old-boys networks.
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I fell off the orthodoxy bandwagon some time ago and never got back on. The orthodoxy of capitalism, the orthodoxy of socialism, the orthodoxy of this diet or that diet.

We should use our intelligence and discrimination to separate the wheat from the chaff. More often than not it is all chaff. It is possible to live without being on board with any of it. There are alternatives to the industrial/military complex, this ideology or that ideology, to a sociobiology-style version; human-style dominance of primate fighting primate.

If one is willing to live under the radar, a good life is possible in spite of all of it. ‘Isms’ likely have to run their course, with their captors, be tested and found wanting, until evolution reaches an apex. Without an apex it is turtles all the way down.
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owl of Minerva wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:51 pm I fell off the orthodoxy bandwagon some time ago and never got back on. The orthodoxy of capitalism, the orthodoxy of socialism, the orthodoxy of this diet or that diet.

We should use our intelligence and discrimination to separate the wheat from the chaff. More often than not it is all chaff. It is possible to live without being on board with any of it. There are alternatives to the industrial/military complex, this ideology or that ideology, to a sociobiology style version; human-style dominance of primate fighting primate, ‘Isms’ are likely to prevail with their captors, unfortunately.

If one is willing to live under the radar, a good life is possible in spite of all of it. ‘Isms’ likely have to run their course, be tested and found wanting, until evolution reaches an apex. Without an apex it is turtles all the way down.
The difference between living wiht and accepting the situation on one hand and and pretending it does not exist, is the same as the differnece between bending over and lying down.
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