Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:14 am
ken wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:13 pmWhat distinction do you make between stuff and things?
There's no such thing as distinctiveness, individuality, separateness, outside human uses for human purposes (leaving aside animals and other sentient being for the moment).
Agree.
Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:14 am Everything before it is sensed and/or defined is stuff, undifferentiated from anything else in the entirety of existence.
Agree, for the sake of moving this discussion along. However would it better to use the phrase 'stuff' instead of 'every
thing' if we are talking about BEFORE sensing and/or defining?
If you want to use the word 'stuff' as being
before a certain point in existence, and, the word 'things' as being
after that certain point, then to use the phrase 'everyTHING before', that certain point, shows to Me that you have not really settled on that distinction your self properly yet.
Also, if stuff is undifferentiated, then there can NOT be 'anything else', so to suggest that there were other THINGS
before, could lead to some sort of confusion, and/or misunderstanding, taking place.
And, the word 'stuff' implies, has a connotation of, or brings with it a sense of more than one, which obviously contradicts what you are trying to refer to here. Anyhow, I generally agree with that what you are trying to say here, to move this along.
These are just some of the subliminal wrong messages, which you may not have been aware of, and which can be past on from person to person unintentionally. Just some thing to think about and be more aware of, especially if you are going to write that what you are proposing.
Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:14 amWhen we perceive a pattern and give it distinctiveness toward some purpose, then it's a thing.
That is
your distinction between and definition of 'stuff' and 'things', which is of course fair enough and I will accept and agree with for now. [/quote]
We can discuss this more thoroughly at a later stage.
Advocate wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:14 amWe don't create Reality but we create Our reality by literally defining it into existence.
If by the word 'we', you mean
human beings here, then do you realize that you are contradicting your first point about:
There's no such thing as distinctiveness, individuality, separateness, outside human uses for human purposes?
1. 'We', indistinctive "
stuff", as you call It, do actually create Reality.
2. 'we',
human beings, however, have NOT yet created our reality, or any reality for that matter. 'we',
human beings, make perceptions of what is around us, which comes from and through any of the five senses of the body. Although, what IS really happening here, currently on planet earth, that is the wars, the pollution, and the destruction of earth IS actually being created by 'us,
human beings, from 'our',
human beings' wrong doing.
3. Depending on your definition, of course, I do not yet see how human beings are literally defining their reality into existence. I am pretty sure I know what you are trying to say, but how do you explain the supposed difference between Reality and Human beings reality? If human beings'reality does NOT fit in with Reality, then they are NOT defining reality into existence. What they are doing is just misconstruing Reality.
4. Reality has always been in existence. No thing, including human beings can bring nor define Reality
into existence.
Surely there is only One Reality, of which human beings misconstrue what It actually IS, which is caused, and which comes, from their misinterpreted perceptions and views of the one and only Reality, right?