It's not that sort of facility. It's a fitness club for the elderly.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:53 pm Aged care facilities are where you go at the END OF YOUR LIFE. They are where people go TO DIE. Does anyone see anything wrong with the equation where everyone is forced to have a vaccine to PRESERVE the life of people who are AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE?
If you lived here you would HAVE to have the vaccine or you would lose your job.
Should I have a fourth jab?
Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
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Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
I had someone very close to me who worked in the construction industry. Here, they were forced to get the vaccine or not be allowed to work. He died inexplicably in his sleep soon after having the second jab. It was put down to 'sudden unexplained death'. I don't have a big circle of people I know, yet I've personally known two people (both male) who have died in this way after having it.
And I'm simply saying exactly what happened. No 'conspiracy theories'. It could just be a huge coincidence for all I know.
And I'm simply saying exactly what happened. No 'conspiracy theories'. It could just be a huge coincidence for all I know.
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Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
You would still have to have the vaccine here.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:55 pmIt's not that sort of facility. It's a fitness club for the elderly.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:53 pm Aged care facilities are where you go at the END OF YOUR LIFE. They are where people go TO DIE. Does anyone see anything wrong with the equation where everyone is forced to have a vaccine to PRESERVE the life of people who are AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE?
If you lived here you would HAVE to have the vaccine or you would lose your job.
Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
I don't agree with forcing people to get the jab. I can't comment on his death though, though it's certainly tragic.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:59 pm I had someone very close to me who worked in the construction industry. Here, they were forced to get the vaccine or not be allowed to work. He died inexplicably in his sleep soon after having the second jab. It was put down to 'sudden unexplained death'. I don't have a big circle of people I know, yet I've personally known two people (both male) who have died in this way after having it.
And I'm simply saying exactly what happened. No 'conspiracy theories'. It could just be an incredibly coincidence for all I know.
Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
Where is "here"?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:00 pmYou would still have to have the vaccine here.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:55 pmIt's not that sort of facility. It's a fitness club for the elderly.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:53 pm Aged care facilities are where you go at the END OF YOUR LIFE. They are where people go TO DIE. Does anyone see anything wrong with the equation where everyone is forced to have a vaccine to PRESERVE the life of people who are AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE?
If you lived here you would HAVE to have the vaccine or you would lose your job.
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Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
Vaccines have always been about protecting YOURSELF against a disease, not about preventing OTHER people from getting it. It doesn't make any logical sense however you look at it.
Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
As I understand it, vaccines help build up herd immunity, as well as individual protection.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:04 pm Vaccines have always been about protecting YOURSELF against a disease, not about preventing OTHER people from getting something. It doesn't make any logical sense however you look at it.
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And what does that actually mean? If you have a vaccine, then presumably you are protected from whatever disease you are vaccinated for. If you don't have the vaccine then you are likely to catch the disease. Catching it also adds to 'herd immunity'.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:05 pmAs I understand it, vaccines help build up herd immunity, as well as individual protection.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:04 pm Vaccines have always been about protecting YOURSELF against a disease, not about preventing OTHER people from getting something. It doesn't make any logical sense however you look at it.
It would have to be the weirdest virus ever, with many people getting no symptoms at all, and when they do get symptoms those symptoms are so many and varied that they wouldn't even be recognised as coming from the same virus.
With colds and flu the symptoms are pretty much identical in everyone. When you do a search on any illness you will get a list of symptoms for that illness. That's not possible with this covid virus.
Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
Vaccines are not 100% effective, and that's twice you seem to have asserted that they are (or should be, or whatever). If I have the jab, but a person I meet doesn't, I still might pass it on, or vice versa. If both of us have the jab, the risk is lower. It's honestly not rocket science.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:27 pmAnd what does that actually mean? If you have a vaccine, then presumably you are protected from whatever disease you are vaccinated for. If you don't have the vaccine then you are likely to catch the disease. Catching it also adds to 'herd immunity'.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:05 pmAs I understand it, vaccines help build up herd immunity, as well as individual protection.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:04 pm Vaccines have always been about protecting YOURSELF against a disease, not about preventing OTHER people from getting something. It doesn't make any logical sense however you look at it.
It would have to be the weirdest virus ever, with many people getting no symptoms at all, and when they do get symptoms those symptoms are so many and varied that they wouldn't even be recognised as coming from the same virus.
With colds and flu the symptoms are pretty much identical in everyone. When you do a search on any illness you will get a list of symptoms for that illness. That's not possible with this covid virus.
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Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
Then that was their choice not to have it. What does it have to do with you?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmVaccines are not 100% effective, and that's twice you seem to have asserted that they are (or should be, or whatever). If I have the jab, but a person I meet doesn't, I still might pass it on, or vice versa. If both of us have the jab, the risk is lower. It's honestly not rocket science.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:27 pmAnd what does that actually mean? If you have a vaccine, then presumably you are protected from whatever disease you are vaccinated for. If you don't have the vaccine then you are likely to catch the disease. Catching it also adds to 'herd immunity'.
It would have to be the weirdest virus ever, with many people getting no symptoms at all, and when they do get symptoms those symptoms are so many and varied that they wouldn't even be recognised as coming from the same virus.
With colds and flu the symptoms are pretty much identical in everyone. When you do a search on any illness you will get a list of symptoms for that illness. That's not possible with this covid virus.
Is the influenza jab give to protect others? I'm sure it's not '100 percent effective' either.
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Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
They are more likely to spread disease to me, that's what it has to do with me.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:34 pmThen that was their choice not to have it. What does it have to do with you?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmVaccines are not 100% effective, and that's twice you seem to have asserted that they are (or should be, or whatever). If I have the jab, but a person I meet doesn't, I still might pass it on, or vice versa. If both of us have the jab, the risk is lower. It's honestly not rocket science.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:27 pm
And what does that actually mean? If you have a vaccine, then presumably you are protected from whatever disease you are vaccinated for. If you don't have the vaccine then you are likely to catch the disease. Catching it also adds to 'herd immunity'.
It would have to be the weirdest virus ever, with many people getting no symptoms at all, and when they do get symptoms those symptoms are so many and varied that they wouldn't even be recognised as coming from the same virus.
With colds and flu the symptoms are pretty much identical in everyone. When you do a search on any illness you will get a list of symptoms for that illness. That's not possible with this covid virus.
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Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
Then get the jab and you won't have to worry about it. Watch out for those selfish buggers who don't get the influenza jab...Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:35 pmThey are more likely to spread disease to me, that's what it has to do with me.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:34 pmThen that was their choice not to have it. What does it have to do with you?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm
Vaccines are not 100% effective, and that's twice you seem to have asserted that they are (or should be, or whatever). If I have the jab, but a person I meet doesn't, I still might pass it on, or vice versa. If both of us have the jab, the risk is lower. It's honestly not rocket science.
Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
That's the third time you have appeared to think that the jab is 100% effective.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:36 pmThen get the jab and you won't have to worry about it. Watch out for those selfish buggers who don't get the influenza jab...Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:35 pmThey are more likely to spread disease to me, that's what it has to do with me.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:34 pm
Then that was their choice not to have it. What does it have to do with you?
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Re: Should I have a fourth jab?
Never said it was. Get it then, on the 'rare occurrence that it doesn't work'. You might just save the life of a hypothetical old personMaia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:39 pmThat's the third time you have appeared to think that the jab is 100% effective.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:36 pmThen get the jab and you won't have to worry about it. Watch out for those selfish buggers who don't get the influenza jab...
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Your implication that me getting a jab will completely protect me from the unvaccinated would indicate otherwise.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:42 pmNever said it was.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:39 pmThat's the third time you have appeared to think that the jab is 100% effective.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:36 pm
Then get the jab and you won't have to worry about it. Watch out for those selfish buggers who don't get the influenza jab...