Vaccine Passports are Systemically Racist?

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:56 am What does 'marginalized' even mean? Who are these people?
Oh, sorry.

"Marginalized" is a jargon word, used by the Leftist/Critical Theory set, that means "people who are pushed to the margins of society." They're called "the marginalized."

So, for example, aboriginals, persons of colour, sex minorities, and so forth are called "marginalized" groups, and treated as deserving of extra attention and benefits, and of a higher moral status than "non-marginalized" groups, such as white males. Women, as a group, are sort of "semi-marginalized": relative to white males, they are considered "marginalized," but relatives to persons of colour, lesbians, or natives, they're "privileged," and hence considered almost as "oppressive" as white males.

Of course, it's arrant hogwash built upon a very thin wafer or truth. It is true that some of these groups have historically not had the lions' share of consideration in the shaping of the public agenda. Fair enough. But today, these groups are disproportionately powerful, and completely dominate mainstream discourse and public policy. So if they ever were "marginalized," they are certainly over-emphasized today.

Still this stuff has nothing to do with common sense. It has to do with the politics of the Left. So "marginalization" is certainly a concept you have every reason to find suspect.
And just because those extra facilities haven't been needed (so far) doesn't indicate a conspiracy. It's merely a case of 'better safe then sorry' I suppose.
What it indicates is certainly that the threat of COVID was wildly exaggerated. The excessiveness of the "precautions," from the overproduction of beds to the overprescription of medication, to the insistence on social distancing and masks for the already-innoculated, to the mandating of "passports" for our movement in-country, even though those "passports" do nothing (except possibly disadvantage "marginalized" people) -- all that shows that the story the "experts" are trying to sell to us just doesn't make sense.

So you've got to wonder, why are they asking us to believe it at all? And shouldn't we at least wait until they sort out what "anti-COVID" measures actually work, and until at least they find a way to make up a story that is actually at least reasonably consistent and rational before we all buy in? :shock:
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mickthinks wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:11 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:34 am Oh? So you think people who are vaccinated can't transmit the virus, do you?
Er ... what part of:
mickthinks wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:08 pmThis is not a lie. It's true.
did you not understand, Einstein?
It doesn't take Einstein to see that what you are believing makes no sense. Doing basic logic is more than sufficient for that.

If vaccines prevent transmission, then nobody needs masks, passports, social distancing, contact tracing...all are irrelevant. We're immune.

Do the math.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:56 am What does 'marginalized' even mean? Who are these people?
Oh, sorry.

"Marginalized" is a jargon word, used by the Leftist/Critical Theory set, that means "people who are pushed to the margins of society." They're called "the marginalized."

I was being rhetorical. I was just surprised that you would use such a wanky term. I misinterpreted your tone :lol:
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:21 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:56 am What does 'marginalized' even mean? Who are these people?
Oh, sorry.

"Marginalized" is a jargon word, used by the Leftist/Critical Theory set, that means "people who are pushed to the margins of society." They're called "the marginalized."

I was being rhetorical. I was just surprised that you would use such a wanky term. I misinterpreted your tone :lol:
Sorry...I misunderstood yours, too.

It happens with email, texting, etc. The complete lack of possibility of inflection in text is the problem.

That's why we have emojis, I guess. 8) :mrgreen: :wink:
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:34 am Oh? So you think people who are vaccinated can't transmit the virus, do you?
Er ... what part of:
mickthinks wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:08 pmThis is not a lie. It's true.
did you not understand, Einstein?

If vaccines prevent 100% transmission and 100% of the people get vaccinated, then nobody needs masks, passports, social distancing, contact tracing...all are irrelevant. We're immune.

Tell me about the math you are doing ...
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mickthinks wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:05 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:34 am Oh? So you think people who are vaccinated can't transmit the virus, do you?
Er ... what part of:
mickthinks wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:08 pmThis is not a lie. It's true.
did you not understand, Einstein?
It doesn't take Einstein to see that what you are believing makes no sense. Doing basic logic is more than sufficient for that.

If vaccines prevent transmission, then nobody needs masks, passports, social distancing, contact tracing...all are irrelevant. We're immune.

Do the math.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:07 pm ... what you are believing makes no sense.
But you don't know what I believe because you can't even read:
mickthinks wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:08 pm ... transmission is still happening among those who are vaccinated
This is not a lie. It's true. Does that confuse you? Because it shouldn't.
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If vaccines prevent 100% transmission and 50% of the people get vaccinated, then somebody needs masks, passports, social distancing, contact tracing...protective measures are still relevant. We're not all immune.

About that math ...?
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If vaccines prevent 50% transmission and 100% of the people get vaccinated, then everybody needs masks, social distancing, contact tracing...protective measures are still relevant. We're not completely immune.

About that math ...?
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If vaccines prevent 50% transmission and 50% of the people get vaccinated, then we're probably f**ked.
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You know how important the reproduction number R is? It makes all the difference in the world if R can be reduced from R=1.001 to R=0.999 because greater than 1 means it's not going away, whereas less that 1 means it's only a matter of time before it's all gone.

If a virus has an R of 1.001 then any vaccine which reduces the risk of infection even slightly (eg. 1% effective) will push R below 1 and will make the epidemic go away. But people have to get vaccinated.
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How's that math?

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mickthinks wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:14 pm If vaccines prevent 100% transmission and 50% of the people get vaccinated, then somebody needs masks, passports, social distancing, contact tracing...protective measures are still relevant. We're not all immune.
Oh? So you're looking out for the good of people who don't know they need the vaccine? And your assumption is they need your protection?

But if that's true, then the only people at risk are the unvaccinated. And it's their right to risk themselves...just as it's your right to go hang gliding, deep sea diving or to smoke until you get cancer or drink until you're an alcoholic. It's nobody else's business to tell you what you can and can't put into your body.

And how do the passports help?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:34 am Oh? So you think people who are vaccinated can't transmit the virus, do you?
Er ... what part of:
mickthinks wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:08 pmThis is not a lie. It's true.
did you not understand, Einstein?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:34 am And how do the passports help?
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