The Dangerous Irrationality of Masking our Vaccinated People

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The Dangerous Irrationality of Masking our Vaccinated People

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The Dangerous Irrationality of Masking our Vaccinated People

Masking and social distancing of our recently vaccinated population is dangerously counter productive. It prevents achieving herd immunity, thereby allowing the virus to continue to grow and mutate further, thereby killing more and more people.

Herd immunity is our ONLY means to stop this virus. No reputable scientist or medical expert disagrees. Social distancing does not stop this virus, nor does it actually slow it down any more than standing in the shade actually slows down the sun's UV rays. Social distancing only slows down the 'rate of infection', much like standing in the shade only slows down the 'rate of sunburns'. The science (empirical evidence) is very clear on this point, for after a year of masking and social distancing measures, the virus has not slowed at all, it has only grown and mutated into a bigger beast killing more people this year than it did last year.

Continued social distancing means continued virus growth and mutation, meaning more deaths next year than this year, and more deaths the following year than next year. Again, if we wish to stop this virus, then herd immunity, and not social distancing, is our ONLY solution. In this case, preventing our only solution only creates a bigger problem (many more deaths).

Herd immunity is achieved by saturating a given population of people (a "herd") with immune people. Immune people are those that have been vaccinated and/or those previous infected (and now have antibodies). Herd immunity works because immune people "break vectors"; they act as physical barriers to the virus spread, thereby protecting nearby vulnerable people. When a virus encounters an immune person, the virus is essentially stopped and removed from the environment (via the immune system of said immune person), which thereby prevents the virus from further transmission. Every virus that encounters (and dies within) an immune person is one less that can infect a vulnerable person.

Vaccination, by itself, cannot give us herd immunity. If immune people are kept away from the herd, then there can be no herd immunity protection. If we continue to mask and social distance our recently vaccinated people, then we have accomplished nothing, except to let the virus continue to grow and mutate into even more variants, some of which the previous vaccination will not protect against.

Keeping the "stoppers" of the virus from stopping the virus is a non-effective means of stopping the virus. Masking our vaccinated people only kills more people.
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Did I just read a theory of disease transmission that assumes humans are some sort of vacuum cleaner and viruses are basically these permanent dust bunnies that we suck up?

Even by philosophy now standards, bravo sir, you are a top quality stone cold bonker.
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FlashDangerpants wrote:Did I just read a theory of disease transmission that assumes humans are some sort of vacuum cleaner and viruses are basically these permanent dust bunnies that we suck up?

Even by philosophy now standards, bravo sir, you are a top quality stone cold bonker.
Flash, you are only exposing your ignorance by making these kinds of statements. You make it obvious to all of us that you lack the intelligence to argue with rationality, by resorting to insults and ad hominem attacks.

So how about showing us some of your intelligence, and point to the specific error that you believe I made, and rationally refute it? ...and remember, if you want to refute my logic, you gotta use logic, ...not insults.
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RG1 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:17 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote:Did I just read a theory of disease transmission that assumes humans are some sort of vacuum cleaner and viruses are basically these permanent dust bunnies that we suck up?

Even by philosophy now standards, bravo sir, you are a top quality stone cold bonker.
Flash, you are only exposing your ignorance by making these kinds of statements. You make it obvious to all of us that you lack the intelligence to argue with rationality, by resorting to insults and ad hominem attacks.

So how about showing us some of your intelligence, and point to the specific error that you believe I made, and rationally refute it? ...and remember, if you want to refute my logic, you gotta use logic, ...not insults.
It's empirically bullshit. Vaccination does give us herd immunity, it's given us that for smallpox and other diseases for generations. Nobody has to go out into the world and suck up a bunch of smallpox viruses to clean the air for you.

What the fuck is that stuff about shade and UV supposed to be for? Standing in the shade does stop you getting sunburnt, it's definitely one of the better ways to do that.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:26 pm It's empirically bullshit. Vaccination does give us herd immunity, it's given us that for smallpox and other diseases for generations. Nobody has to go out into the world and suck up a bunch of smallpox viruses to clean the air for you.

Why do people keep bringing up the smallpox disease when it is the coronavirus 19 clearly being dicussed here?

Sceince say: Coronavirus not “going to be a disease like smallpox which could be eradicated by vaccination”


https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coron ... ccination/
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By the way, all those nasty life taking horrible dieases like smallpox etc... still exist in a laboratory near you. :shock:
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FlashDangerpants wrote:Vaccination does give us herd immunity...
Not by itself. It can only give us herd immunity if we let immune (vaccinated) people participate in achieving herd immunity. Keeping immune people socially isolated from the herd does NOT give us herd immunity.

FlashDangerpants wrote:Standing in the shade does stop you getting sunburnt, it's definitely one of the better ways to do that.
Yes, correct. Staying in the shade prevents you from getting sunburned. But "staying in the shade" does not stop the UV rays from shining. When you go back out in the sun, guess what? You get sunburned again.

Yes, correct. Staying locked up in quarantine prevents you from getting covid. But "staying locked up in quarantine" does not stop the covid virus from growing and mutating. When you go back out in society, you can still get infected no matter how long you socially distanced yourself.
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RG1 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:27 pm Yes, correct. Staying locked up in quarantine prevents you from getting covid. But "staying locked up in quarantine" does not stop the covid virus from growing and mutating.
Yes it does.
The virus requires a host to grow and mutate. It only lasts a limited time outside a host and has no way of persisting without a human cell to take over. It can neither not grow nor mutate outiside a host.
You are just in confusion, and contradicting yourself.
When you go back out in society, you can still get infected no matter how long you socially distanced yourself.
Only if the virus is present and you fail to take adequat precautions.
Isolating, simple hygene, mask wearing, social distancing and ventilating living and working spaces all contribute to that.
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RG1 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:20 pm Masking and social distancing of our recently vaccinated population is dangerously counter productive. It prevents achieving herd immunity, thereby allowing the virus to continue to grow and mutate further, thereby killing more and more people.
Do you have a model which makes any testable predictions about the body count given our current strategy, or are you just being an alarmist because talk is cheap?
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