What accounts for Western high death rates?

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Re: What accounts for Western high death rates?

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:03 am
commonsense wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 12:58 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 11:14 pm

FFS.
YRAN.

There are never enough volunteers for an adequate militia.
FFS
Not a very compelling argument.
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Re: What accounts for Western high death rates?

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commonsense wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:08 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:03 am
commonsense wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 12:58 am

YRAN.

There are never enough volunteers for an adequate militia.
FFS
Not a very compelling argument.
I can't be bothered arguing with a warmongering moron. Create your own counterargument. It's called 'critical thinking'.
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Re: What accounts for Western high death rates?

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:14 am
commonsense wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:08 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:03 am

FFS
Not a very compelling argument.
I can't be bothered arguing with a warmongering moron. Create your own counterargument. It's called 'critical thinking'.
Counter argument:

There are always enough warmongering morons for the cold-hearted blood-thirsty baby-killing military that you imbecilic/immoral yanks are going on about in your own idiotic way.

There is no need for a militia anyway because other nations could then just take over from you inbred illiterates without any bloodshed by either side in a colossal catastrophe of monumental stupidity.

Americans already have so many guns that anyone foolish enough to invade the country of Eugene McCarthy, Charles Manson and Donald Trump would be put to death by war-crazed arseholes who can’t seem to find enough of each other to kill.

- - Still not a convincing argument.
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Re: What accounts for Western high death rates?

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commonsense wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 12:46 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:14 am
commonsense wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 1:08 am

Not a very compelling argument.
I can't be bothered arguing with a warmongering moron. Create your own counterargument. It's called 'critical thinking'.
Counter argument:

There are always enough warmongering morons for the cold-hearted blood-thirsty baby-killing military that you imbecilic/immoral yanks are going on about in your own idiotic way.

There is no need for a militia anyway because other nations could then just take over from you inbred illiterates without any bloodshed by either side in a colossal catastrophe of monumental stupidity.

Americans already have so many guns that anyone foolish enough to invade the country of Eugene McCarthy, Charles Manson and Donald Trump would be put to death by war-crazed arseholes who can’t seem to find enough of each other to kill.

- - Still not a convincing argument.
It's the US that is always invading other countries. You don't seem to be short of volunteers to do that. When 'subhumans (i.e. non Americans)' have the audacity try to defend themselves you have the fucking nerve to call them 'terrorists'. Conscription is the ultimate abuse of power and taking away of freedom. Conscript all the warmongering old fucks then since they love war so much--and start with the politicians who cause them.
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Re: What accounts for Western high death rates?

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What accounts for Western high death rates?

There could be many reasons.

However one noticeable reason is due to the more liberal conditions of the strong desire for individual freedom in the West. As such the majority of people had a lackadaisical attitude towards the threat the Covid19 virus. This is evident by the numerous protests against lockdowns in the 'West'.
These stupid idiots do not realize they could be a 'patient-ONE' who will be responsible for killing the vulnerable ones - their parents, grandparents, etc.

The fact is there are now 8.4 million infections and this is originated from ONE individual, i.e. patient-ONE.
At present, there are appx. 3.4 million active cases and any of these 3.4 million could be like patient-One each with the potential to spread another 8 million infections.

With such potential serious danger, strict enforcements and quarantine must be taken. This is where the dictatorial, more authocratic governments with more compliance citizens will be more successful in tackling the COVID19 pandemic in their countries - assuming they have the capacity to do so.

It will not work if the above nations has poor health infrastructure and the people are poor and uneducated. This is what is happening in India and Bangladesh. Many of the African, Central and South American countries COVID19 cases may also spike in time.
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This thing aint done yet.
Its a little early to ask this question since the virus is yet to start subsequent phases.

But looking at the basic spread it might have more to do with the circumstantial factors. Air flights from China first brought the virus to Italy Spain and the UK who were caught with their pants down. Idiot Boris Johnson batting on about shaking hands with the infected, whilst pratlling on about we live in a "libertarian country" was not good for taking early steps. In the US we also have a dumb as fuck president and a country full of idiots obsessed with personal freedom. They were bound to go down like a sack of shit, and the virus has only got started there.
The West as well as having got the virus earlier than many third world countries have more mobile societies, cars, busses and planes helped the spread of the virus, and we are still paying for going into lockdown late.
But Look at New Zealand. Until very recently they had managed to stop the spread, until two English women achieving compassionate leave to visit a relative have managed to bring the virus back.
I think the New Zealand evidence shows that lock down done early works, but 99% lockdown is not enough.
Lockdown is already being eased in many places. This is going to lead to more cases and more deaths. Surely this is the unstated aim of western countries - slow down the virus just enough so that all come in contact with the virus slowly enough so that health systems can cope; until there is enough with anitbodies that the virus can no longer spread. This will mean many more deaths and infirmities for the survivors.

We'll probably never know the full extend of the cases and deaths in places like India and many African states. I would guess that the death rates will early match or even exceed numbers for the west. But it will be years before the infectivity is fully exhausted.
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:44 am
We'll probably never know the full extend of the cases and deaths in places like India and many African states. I would guess that the death rates will early match or even exceed numbers for the west. But it will be years before the infectivity is fully exhausted.
The waiting game will only end upon the availability of an effective vaccine to the Covid19's virus.

In the meantime, every infected person [3+ million at present] is a potential PATIENT-ONE who has the potential to spread exponentially to millions others.

Those who [despite been informed and warned] intentionally adopt a lackadaisical attitude towards the threat the Covid19 virus should be convicted of homicide if it is proven they are a direct cause to any covid19 related deaths.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:41 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:44 am
We'll probably never know the full extend of the cases and deaths in places like India and many African states. I would guess that the death rates will early match or even exceed numbers for the west. But it will be years before the infectivity is fully exhausted.
The waiting game will only end upon the availability of an effective vaccine to the Covid19's virus.

In the meantime, every infected person [3+ million at present] is a potential PATIENT-ONE who has the potential to spread exponentially to millions others.

Those who [despite been informed and warned] intentionally adopt a lackadaisical attitude towards the threat the Covid19 virus should be convicted of homicide if it is proven they are a direct cause to any covid19 related deaths.
Such silliness.

Here...

https://swprs.org/

...educate yourself.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:41 am Those who [despite been informed and warned] intentionally adopt a lackadaisical attitude towards the threat the Covid19 virus...
I think their attitude is adopted more on the basis of emotions rather than as an intentional and cognitive choice.

First there is an ignorant dose of risk denial, then comes the hubris that no one should dare to challenge their assessment of actual risk.

This in no way exonerates these fools.
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commonsense wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:49 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:41 am Those who [despite been informed and warned] intentionally adopt a lackadaisical attitude towards the threat the Covid19 virus...
I think their attitude is adopted more on the basis of emotions rather than as an intentional and cognitive choice.

First there is an ignorant dose of risk denial, then comes the hubris that no one should dare to challenge their assessment of actual risk.

This in no way exonerates these fools.
https://swprs.org/
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henry quirk wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:12 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:49 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:41 am Those who [despite been informed and warned] intentionally adopt a lackadaisical attitude towards the threat the Covid19 virus...
I think their attitude is adopted more on the basis of emotions rather than as an intentional and cognitive choice.

First there is an ignorant dose of risk denial, then comes the hubris that no one should dare to challenge their assessment of actual risk.

This in no way exonerates these fools.
https://swprs.org/
Good read. Doesn’t explain the East-West difference, though, does it? Or did I miss something?
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commonsense wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:39 pm
henry quirk wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:12 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:49 pm

I think their attitude is adopted more on the basis of emotions rather than as an intentional and cognitive choice.

First there is an ignorant dose of risk denial, then comes the hubris that no one should dare to challenge their assessment of actual risk.

This in no way exonerates these fools.
https://swprs.org/
Good read. Doesn’t explain the East-West difference, though, does it? Or did I miss something?
Really, you need to access all the embedded links and citations. Keep a language or webpage translator open: much of what's linked isn't in english.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
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henry quirk wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:52 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:39 pm
henry quirk wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:12 pm

https://swprs.org/
Good read. Doesn’t explain the East-West difference, though, does it? Or did I miss something?
Really, you need to access all the embedded links and citations. Keep a language or webpage translator open: much of what's linked isn't in english.
Ah! Thanks.
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henry quirk wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:01 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:41 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:44 am
We'll probably never know the full extend of the cases and deaths in places like India and many African states. I would guess that the death rates will early match or even exceed numbers for the west. But it will be years before the infectivity is fully exhausted.
The waiting game will only end upon the availability of an effective vaccine to the Covid19's virus.

In the meantime, every infected person [3+ million at present] is a potential PATIENT-ONE who has the potential to spread exponentially to millions others.

Those who [despite been informed and warned] intentionally adopt a lackadaisical attitude towards the threat the Covid19 virus should be convicted of homicide if it is proven they are a direct cause to any covid19 related deaths.
Such silliness.

Here...

https://swprs.org/

...educate yourself.
According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
0.1%??
strong seasonal flu??
The above is a stupid and reckless comparison.

Note the fatality rate on average is 5.3% on total infection, i.e. 463/8758K.
Most of the death are of the elderly but also effect those within the other age range.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Thus those who are within the other age ranges need to be very concern as well.

As for season flu, the related virus is well studied and documented.
What is comfortable with the seasonal flu virus is, there are vaccines for it, thus preventable and when the season is over, the infection [quite certainly] is also over.

The mistake initially was when most leaders and authorities ASSUMED the Covid19 virus is like any other seasonal flu and will pass within 3 months or so [one season]. But they were wrong and the consequences is 2+ million infection in the USA and 8.8 million worldwide.

If it is not for the serious alarms and steps taken, the infections and deaths could have been very much worst.
This is when those infected [of all ages] take a lackadaisical attitude to the illness and treat it like an ordinary season flu, so they take off-the-counter medicines and do not see a doctor, and then found it is too late when the infection got worse.
But fortunately for the serious alarms and preventive steps enforced that the stats [bad as it is] did not get worse.

The Covid19 virus is a new mutation and there is insufficient knowledge of its behavior and it is possible it can be totally different from that of the seasonal virus.
There is no vaccine for the Covid19 to date.
That is why we need to be very serious with the Covid19 infection at least till a vaccine for it is available and accessible to all.
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As I recommended to common: you need to access all the embedded links and citations. Keep a language or webpage translator open: much of what's linked isn't in english.
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