Sick until proven healthy

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Re: Sick until proven healthy

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Arising_uk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 2:47 am
Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm The left or establishment has created a new class of people, the sick.
The sick have less rights than the healthy.
They can be forcibly quarantined and treated.
And assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy, is every bit as insane as assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
The potentially sick can be forcibly tested (and vaccinated).
And how they define the sick is absurd, since this virus, like most viruses, is ubiquitous and has little or nothing to do with health.
They've assumed this virus is lethal until proven nonlethal.
They refuse to examine the data proving it nonlethal.
This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
But it's not the 'left' is it, it's your right-wing Prez and his chums.
Trump reluctantly went along with some of the left's proposals, while rejecting others.
It's primarily the left that's pushing for this shit.
Look at populist president Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, he completely rejected their bullshit.
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Ansiktsburk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:50 am
Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm The left or establishment has created a new class of people, the sick.
The sick have less rights than the healthy.
They can be forcibly quarantined and treated.
And assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy, is every bit as insane as assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
The potentially sick can be forcibly tested (and vaccinated).
And how they define the sick is absurd, since this virus, like most viruses, is ubiquitous and has little or nothing to do with health.
They've assumed this virus is lethal until proven nonlethal.
They refuse to examine the data proving it nonlethal.
This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
Funny, in my Scandinavian country its the leftists that have skipped quarantine and killed per capita much more people than in the US. We at the right want to take responsibility and avoid the disease. Completely the opposite from your country.

What’s left and what’s right?
Hardly anyone has died with Covid in unlocked Sweden.
What like 0.03%?
It's a fucking a joke.
On top of that almost all of them were old with terminal illnesses who would've died anyway.
And on top of that, a lot of them weren't actually tested for the virus, they were believed to have Covid.

It is interesting tho how in Sweden it's the left that's taking a more laissez faire approach to this virus than the right.
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Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 3:38 pm
See terrain theory.
Again, I am simply trying to follow what you said.

Béchamp proposed that germs—which includes viruses—are attracted by acidic host bodies. How could this lead to viruses having little or nothing to do with disease?
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Arising_uk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 1:08 pm
Ansiktsburk wrote:... We at the right want to take responsibility and avoid the disease. ...
You can't avoid this disease this will only happen if there is a vaccine. All you can do is to try and delay the spread so your health services dont collapse.
The vast majority of hospitals have not been overwhelmed by this virus, including ones in unlocked places like Sweden, because this is a weak virus, that is if it even exists and the tests aren't a complete fraud, which they probably are.
Lockdown has failed to prevent the spread of this virus, about 20% of the world has already been infected, just as about 20% of the world is infected with seasonal flu every year.
It's a fraud.
Doctors and scientists are telling us, it's a fraud, that they're being pressured by administration to jot down Covid as the cause of death when there's no proof patients even had Covid, or that it had anything to do with their death.
They are doing antibody tests, and billions of people have already been infected.
The death and hospitalization rate of this virus is negligible.
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commonsense wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 4:11 pm
Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 3:38 pm
See terrain theory.
Again, I am simply trying to follow what you said.

Béchamp proposed that germs—which includes viruses—are attracted by acidic host bodies. How could this lead to viruses having little or nothing to do with disease?
The vast majority of diseases are caused by malnutrition, toxicity and/or old age, not viruses.
Viruses aren't the cause, they're a symptom.
Our entire medical paradigm is predicated on bullshit.
Big government, big pharma and MSM decide what science gets propped up and what science gets sidelined, marginalized, and by and large, they don't give a fuck about anything other than power and their bottom line.
It's time to stop trusting authority, it's buyer and taxpayer beware, it always has been.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 am
Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
David Icke talked about this totalitarium tiptoe that is being rolled out right in front of our noses. But he crossed the line when he started to ramp up the real story about the effects of 5G.. And his punishment was that he has now been BANNED from every single social media platform you can think of. All for just having an opinion. The truth is no one has freedom of speech, because if they did, then why has David Icke been censored, even though the guy has made thousands of videos and has been talking about this for over 30 years.
So WHY NOW..have they taken him down?

I know why, and so too do a lot of other people.

The truth does not want to be heard because there is a global agenda, that is much more important, and it does not include the sick people. It does not include the ones who dare to wear their tin foil hats with a fearless pride.

The real truth of your being is censored, and replaced by false programming, that cause you to live in fear and be wholly dependant upon the FARM. .which is another word for state...and without the lowly peasants, the ordinary hard working honest worker bees, they have no FARM...

We must not give away our power, we must fight or become compliant participants in our own slavery.

The rise of the machines is happening, sick humans will all be replaced by AI

That's why there is constant news everywhere reminding you that you are sick, or will get sick, and will stay sick if you do not take THE cure, if you do not do what we tell you to do.
A cure that will never be found in reality- and so the only real cure available is to save yourself from all the lying cheating propaganda BS they try to ram down your throat every second of your life, and all the fool you for swallowing this fake pseudo nonsense.

But they do not want anyone to know that they can save themselves via alternative knowledge as and through your own intuitve knowing of how to be well and healthy.. they do not want you to be healthy, and is why when you do not conform to what is deemed acceptable, you will be censored for even daring to think for yourself and to be able to make your own mind up about how you want to think and feel.

And that is why David Icke has been banned for speaking out, because the agenda is reaching critical mass right now.

People are WAKING THE FUCK UP...and smelling a rat in the swamp.

I am not an American but I know that America WILL rise up. The free world needs America. So buckle up and stay strong.
I've already witnessed how the President DT deals with the medias press reporters, when they try to make him look like he is the bad boy when all he is doing is doing his best...He does not give those negative hecklers the time and space to act out their foolery. He's gives them all exactly what they deserve. The silent treatment...all because he is only interested in fighting for truth and justice as every soldier of God is assigned to do on this earth. He is an enlightend man and no one can mess with the mind of an enlightened man. They may try, but they will be squashed like a bug on the bottom his shoe. It will end badly for the liars and the fools. The lionhearts will rise up not the machines.

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Couldn't agree more, only cowards censor.

We see through their lies, to hell with their globalist, totalitarian, posthuman NWO.
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I think you guys are getting a little carried away with this stuff. I don't think the government and scientists are out to do us harm. They're just fallible human beings like the rest of us, doing the best they can. It's possible that health officials may have misjudged the seriousness of COVID 19, I don't know, but all this rabble-rousing is just that, trying to stir up trouble for no good reason. Try to relax a little. I'm sure everything will be fine.
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Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 4:34 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 4:11 pm
Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 3:38 pm
See terrain theory.
Again, I am simply trying to follow what you said.

Béchamp proposed that germs—which includes viruses—are attracted by acidic host bodies. How could this lead to viruses having little or nothing to do with disease?
The vast majority of diseases are caused by malnutrition, toxicity and/or old age, not viruses.
Viruses aren't the cause, they're a symptom.
Our entire medical paradigm is predicated on bullshit.
Big government, big pharma and MSM decide what science gets propped up and what science gets sidelined, marginalized, and by and large, they don't give a fuck about anything other than power and their bottom line.
It's time to stop trusting authority, it's buyer and taxpayer beware, it always has been.
So now you're an expert on biology and pathology? Amazing how the entire medical profession seems to have been misled. Apparently they just need you in charge.
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:24 pm
Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 4:34 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 4:11 pm

Again, I am simply trying to follow what you said.

Béchamp proposed that germs—which includes viruses—are attracted by acidic host bodies. How could this lead to viruses having little or nothing to do with disease?
The vast majority of diseases are caused by malnutrition, toxicity and/or old age, not viruses.
Viruses aren't the cause, they're a symptom.
Our entire medical paradigm is predicated on bullshit.
Big government, big pharma and MSM decide what science gets propped up and what science gets sidelined, marginalized, and by and large, they don't give a fuck about anything other than power and their bottom line.
It's time to stop trusting authority, it's buyer and taxpayer beware, it always has been.
So now you're an expert on biology and pathology? Amazing how the entire medical profession seems to have been misled. Apparently they just need you in charge.
Some allopaths, laymen and most Naturopaths agree with me.
From my experience, it's the terrain.
Time after time I've proven to myself it's malnutrition, toxicity and stress that makes me sick, not germs.
My health is not affected by whether I come into contact with lots of filth or not, whether I wash my hands, social distance or not, it's affected by what I eat, my emotional wellbeing, and toxicity in what I put in, on and around my body.
I'm not saying germs can never, ever make anyone sick, just that the role they play in our health has been greatly exaggerated.
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Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:39 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:24 pm
Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 4:34 pm
The vast majority of diseases are caused by malnutrition, toxicity and/or old age, not viruses.
Viruses aren't the cause, they're a symptom.
Our entire medical paradigm is predicated on bullshit.
Big government, big pharma and MSM decide what science gets propped up and what science gets sidelined, marginalized, and by and large, they don't give a fuck about anything other than power and their bottom line.
It's time to stop trusting authority, it's buyer and taxpayer beware, it always has been.
So now you're an expert on biology and pathology? Amazing how the entire medical profession seems to have been misled. Apparently they just need you in charge.
Some allopaths, laymen and most Naturopaths agree with me.
From my experience, it's the terrain.
Time after time I've proven to myself it's malnutrition, toxicity and stress that makes me sick, not germs.
My health is not affected by whether I come into contact with lots of filth or not, whether I wash my hands, social distance or not, it's affected by what I eat, my emotional wellbeing, and toxicity in what I put in, on and around my body.
I'm not saying germs can never, ever make anyone sick, just that they've been overhyped.
From my understanding, if your immune system is strong and healthy and you can produce sufficient antibodies to fight an infection then, yes, you stand a better chance of overcoming infection, however, it's not 100%, and some viruses are more virulent than others. Sometimes healthy people can die of viruses too.
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Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 3:24 pm
Impenitent wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
henry quirk wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 6:41 pm A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
Fuckin' A
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Gloominary wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 3:40 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 am
Impenitent wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
HQ wrote:A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
Not these old saws again. Take a good look around the world and see what the US infantry is capable of. If your Prez decides to treat you like the Japanese Americans were treated in WWII there is fuck all your pop-guns will do against the US infantry. You'll be going or you'll be dead.
They lost the war in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan.

And some American infantry will defect to our side.
more than some I reckon...and: 'murica has the most heavily armed, most widely armed, civilian population on the planet
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:15 pm I think you guys are getting a little carried away with this stuff. I don't think the government and scientists are out to do us harm. They're just fallible human beings like the rest of us, doing the best they can. It's possible that health officials may have misjudged the seriousness of COVID 19, I don't know, but all this rabble-rousing is just that, trying to stir up trouble for no good reason. Try to relax a little. I'm sure everything will be fine.
Color me mean-spirited and paranoid, but: in my experience, governors like to govern, governors believe they know better, folks in charge work to stay in charge. The governed tend to get the short end of the stick, not out of malice, but simply cuz they are governed.

Scientists tend to have large egos, investin' themselves into their work; not a one is inclined to easily let go of pet theories. Also, money entices the egghead as much as anyone.

As you say, They're just fallible human beings like the rest of us. They're subject to the same venalities.
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henry quirk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 6:23 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:15 pm I think you guys are getting a little carried away with this stuff. I don't think the government and scientists are out to do us harm. They're just fallible human beings like the rest of us, doing the best they can. It's possible that health officials may have misjudged the seriousness of COVID 19, I don't know, but all this rabble-rousing is just that, trying to stir up trouble for no good reason. Try to relax a little. I'm sure everything will be fine.
Color me mean-spirited and paranoid, but: in my experience, governors like to govern, governors believe they know better, folks in charge work to stay in charge. The governed tend to get the short end of the stick, not out of malice, but simply cuz they are governed.

Scientists tend to have large egos, investin' themselves into their work; not a one is inclined to easily let go of pet theories. Also, money entices the egghead as much as anyone.

As you say, They're just fallible human beings like the rest of us. They're subject to the same venalities.
I don't see much reason to be up in guns about anything. I think most of us have it pretty good in the US compared to a lot of other places in the world. And for those who don't have it very good, there are social programs available to help out, though, it seems they tend to get rolled back due to pressure from "libertarians".
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I don't see much reason to be up in guns about anything.

I do.


I think most of us have it pretty good in the US compared to a lot of other places in the world.

So do I, that's why guns.


And for those who don't have it very good, there are social programs available to help out,

Indeed. The best are called charities; the worst, entitlements.


though, it seems they tend to get rolled back due to pressure from "libertarians".

Speakin' only for me: graft yourself to the teat, makes me no never-mind.
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