2020: not safe for anyone

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henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:30 pm
Skepdick wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:41 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:38 pm Just to be clear, Coronavirus, even if it’s over-hyped, over-counted & overblown, if you die of it, it may not be the worst way to die but gulping desperately for each breath isn’t a peaceful way to go.
And if you don't die there's always "Long COVID"....

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... long-covid
if anyone ever bothered to go here...

https://swprs.org/

...they coulda read about it a while back

I've been postin' links and updates from that site for months in my perspectives thread
I thought it was common knowledge acute viral fevers gave you long lasting fatigue and depression.
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commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:38 pm Just to be clear, Coronavirus, even if it’s over-hyped, over-counted & overblown, if you die of it, it may not be the worst way to die but gulping desperately for each breath isn’t a peaceful way to go.
A patient who is fighting for breath can best be helped using medications that reduce the effort required to breath by blocking hypoxia-induced stimulation of respiration, and medications that alleviate the fear of dying. The drugs of choice are therefore morphine (which lowers respiratory rate and effort, and reduces shortness of breath by reducing sensitivity to hypoxia and hypercapnia) and midazolam (which is a sedative, anxiolytic and muscle relaxant) (2, 7, 8). The algorithm for alleviating the sensation of suffocation (6) differs from the current guidelines in that it recommends a high starting dose, greater dose escalation at each step, routine co-administration of morphine and midazolam, and an instruction to consider rapid establishment and use of intravenous access, if not already available. This adjusted regimen is necessary to enable the provision of effective relief, even if doing so may somewhat shorten the life of the patient.


https://www.palliativecareguidelines.sc ... sness.aspx
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I think if an ancient retired lady like me can read up on care of the terminally ill we can trust professional doctors and senior nurses to do so.
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Belinda wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:30 pm
I think if an ancient retired lady like me can read up on care of the terminally ill we can trust professional doctors and senior nurses to do so.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
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henry quirk wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:26 pm
Belinda wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:30 pm
I think if an ancient retired lady like me can read up on care of the terminally ill we can trust professional doctors and senior nurses to do so.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Herd immunity has to work okay for impoverished peoples who cannot test and trace contacts and isolate or treat carriers.

More than other acute infectious fevers, covid's causal organism the coronavirus does not produce reliable immunity.That is the main reason herd immunity is not a good idea for Americans. Coronavirus carriers are going to be scattered around the population for the foreseeable future.
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covid's causal organism the coronavirus does not produce reliable immunity

it produces immunity comparable to any coronavirus (cold virus): three or four months worth

and each bout of immunity contributes to defeating future infections by bolstering future immunities

we never start from zero...it's always 3 steps forward, 2 steps back


Coronavirus carriers are going to be scattered around the population for the foreseeable future.

just like common cold and flu carriers

we're gonna have to learn to live with it

living with it means living with it, not hiding from it
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henry quirk wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:31 pm covid's causal organism the coronavirus does not produce reliable immunity

it produces immunity comparable to any coronavirus (cold virus): three or four months worth

and each bout of immunity contributes to defeating future infections by bolstering future immunities

we never start from zero...it's always 3 steps forward, 2 steps back


Coronavirus carriers are going to be scattered around the population for the foreseeable future.

just like common cold and flu carriers

we're gonna have to learn to live with it

living with it means living with it, not hiding from it
Covid can be a more severe illness than colds or flu, especially when it turns into long covid.
Learning to live with it includes learning to protect your customers, elderly relatives, patients, friends, and colleagues.
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Covid can be a more severe illness than colds or flu, especially when it turns into long covid.

for a portion of the populace it is more severe than the flu...for the rest, not so much


Learning to live with it includes learning to protect your customers, elderly relatives, patients, friends, and colleagues.

no


living with it means takin' care of yourself

during' flu season, for example, washin' your hands, bein' less touchy-feely with others, coughin' into your elbow, stayin' home when ill, bein' mindful of one's own health (medical fragilities, age, on-goin' conditions), etc. ought to be, mostly is, what folks do...all that applies to beer virus as well, or any virus or germ or bug...have the wherewithal to self-attend


livin' with it also means puttin' a foot down

authorities must be reined in...not a one can be allowed to go overboard

they (the cuomos, the whitmers, the faucis, etc.) must be made to understand we hire them to captain the ship, but we are the owners of the ship

oversteppin' shouldn't be allowed...and freezin' out equally-qualified folks from contributin' alternatives shouldn't be allowed either...fauci, for example, has an awful track record with h.i.v & a.i.d.s....his record with beer virus is turnin' out to be just as poor...and yet this lil sparrow-fart gets all the play, which, of course, brings us to...


information brokers too must be reined in...the passive consumption of news, in whatever form they choose, skewed to whatever degree they choose, must end...we allow them to lie through omission and distortion...we allow them to bulldog us with the jibber about their ethics...call them out, demand better, and when they dismiss us, we go elsewhere

eventually, their mendaciousness will catch up with them (as it seems to have caught up with twitter, google, & facebook)


in short, livin' with it means...

*self-reliance & -preservation

*puttin' the boot to the backsides of employees who believe themselves sumthin' more than public servants

*becomin' gatekeepers of our own heads
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That would be hilarious...if it weren't so unspeakably awful, too.

Good one.
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forgot one...ties with bein' the gatekeeper of one's own head...

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the hysterical must ignored where possible, told to shut up when you can get a word in edge-wise, or slapped silly when words aren't heeded

really, the brassy balls of folks who'll literally walk across the store to give grief to someone not wearin' a mask is amazin'

think on it: commonsensically, if you're worried about beer virus, and you see someone unmasked, you'd avoid such a person...goin' out of your way to give 'em grief, potentially exposin' yourself to infection, is unhinged
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