2020: not safe for anyone

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henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:32 pm 'course, truth is, 200,000 plus have not died from beer virus

mebbe 50,000, tops, actually died from beer virus

the rest died with beer virus (and, no doubt, a nice chunk of that remainin' 150,000 or so, had no beer virus in their bodies at all)

hoodwink'd
Nobody ever dies from a car accident.
Everybody dies IN a car accident (rapid deceleration kills 'em)

Nobody ever dies FROM HIV.
Everybody dies WITH HIV (AIDS kills 'em)

Nobody ever dies FROM poison.
They die WITH poison (organ failure kills 'em)

Philosophers think that's a counter argument.
Doctors think philosophers are idiots.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:45 pm
henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:32 pm 'course, truth is, 200,000 plus have not died from beer virus

mebbe 50,000, tops, actually died from beer virus

the rest died with beer virus (and, no doubt, a nice chunk of that remainin' 150,000 or so, had no beer virus in their bodies at all)

hoodwink'd
Nobody ever dies from a car accident.
Everybody dies IN a car accident (rapid deceleration kills 'em)

Nobody ever dies FROM HIV.
Everybody dies WITH HIV (AIDS kills 'em)

Nobody ever dies FROM poison.
They die WITH poison (organ failure kills 'em)

Philosophers think that's a counter argument.
Doctors think philosophers are idiots.
first, I'm not a philosopher

second, you know exactly what I'm talkin' about when I say from and with

third, it's far too soon for us to tussle again...go get your fix elsewhere
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:50 pm second, you know exactly what I'm talkin' about when I say from and with
You think you know what you are talking about, yeah.

Is just that attributing a single cause of death never was an exact science.

There's no distinction between "from" and "with" when COVID is a catalyst to pre-existing conditions.
henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:50 pm third, it's far too soon for us to tussle again...go get your fix elsewhere
it's not a tussle. I'm just correcting a manchild.
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yes, 'you'

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henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:58 pm 4B756DAA-2B42-40D6-B797-E60E6B5E8323.jpeg
If you think masks and lockdowns were an "unacceptable compromise", it doesn't sound like you possessed the will or fortitude to fight Hitler.
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attributing cause of death isn't an exact science

and yet, everyday, across all media outlets, from governors, from heads of state, from the CDC, the exact (not estimated, the exact) number of beer virus deaths, as a running total, is foisted up, daily, hourly

such precision, razor-sharp

hoodwink'd

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If you think masks and lockdowns were an "unacceptable compromise", it doesn't sound like you possessed the will or fortitude to fight Hitler.

if you think lockdowns and masks were about public health and not control, you're a sucker

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done with you

go play nice with the other autistics
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:14 pm attributing cause of death isn't an exact science

and yet, everyday, across all media outlets, from governors, from heads of state, from the CDC, the exact (not estimated, the exact) number of beer virus deaths, as a running total, is foisted up, daily, hourly

such precision, razor-sharp

hoodwink'd

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If you think masks and lockdowns were an "unacceptable compromise", it doesn't sound like you possessed the will or fortitude to fight Hitler.

if you think lockdowns and masks were about public health and not control, you're a sucker

-----

done with you

go play nice with the other autistics
Henry tries to oppose the germ theory of disease.
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Belinda wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:03 pm
henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:14 pm attributing cause of death isn't an exact science

and yet, everyday, across all media outlets, from governors, from heads of state, from the CDC, the exact (not estimated, the exact) number of beer virus deaths, as a running total, is foisted up, daily, hourly

such precision, razor-sharp

hoodwink'd

-----

If you think masks and lockdowns were an "unacceptable compromise", it doesn't sound like you possessed the will or fortitude to fight Hitler.

if you think lockdowns and masks were about public health and not control, you're a sucker

-----

done with you

go play nice with the other autistics
Henry tries to oppose the germ theory of disease.
B tries to make a serious molehill into an apocalyptic mountain
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:14 pm and yet, everyday, across all media outlets, from governors, from heads of state, from the CDC, the exact (not estimated, the exact) number of beer virus deaths, as a running total, is foisted up, daily, hourly

such precision, razor-sharp

hoodwink'd
"Exact numbers" are an oxymoron. Every measurement is an approximation!

The level of control necessary to produce exact numbers is.... ironically .... impossible for humans.

henry quirk wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:14 pm if you think lockdowns and masks were about public health and not control, you're a sucker
When it comes to humans everything is about control, sunshine.

You aren't exactly complaining about the control your lightswitch gives you, or the control your fridge gives you, or the control your car brakes, or the control your gun gives you.

It's weird that you'd suddenly insist that control is a bad thing.
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Just to be clear, Coronavirus, even if it’s over-hyped, over-counted & overblown, if you die of it, it may not be the worst way to die but gulping desperately for each breath isn’t a peaceful way to go.
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commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:38 pm Just to be clear, Coronavirus, even if it’s over-hyped, over-counted & overblown, if you die of it, it may not be the worst way to die but gulping desperately for each breath isn’t a peaceful way to go.
And if you don't die there's always "Long COVID"....

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... long-covid
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Exact numbers" are an oxymoron. Every measurement is an approximation!

and yet authorities keep reporting, hourly, exact, official numbers (for infections, hospitalizations, and deaths)

these numbers are *never revised, only added to

if you're right (and you are) then you've just helped me illustrate the on-going hoodwinking

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Just to be clear, Coronavirus, even if it’s over-hyped, over-counted & overblown, if you die of it, it may not be the worst way to die but gulping desperately for each breath isn’t a peaceful way to go.

death is never good...I watched a vibrant woman shrivel up into an embryo-thing cuz of cancer...I've been witness to older family passin' away, not quietly......the inevitability of death, in any of its forms, no matter its pain, is **no reason to close down the world...protect the vulnerable (as they are willin' to accept protection) and get on with livin'









*sometimes, if you dig deep, you might find how some community numbers get revised downward, after someone noticed a discrepancy, after they make a big stink and get local media involved...but these revisions are far and few and strictly local and never are the errors discovered by the actual tally-keepers...always the errors are discovered by some paranoiac who didn't trust the powers that be

**but is is a damn fine excuse to clamp down on folks, strip 'em of their mobility, their self-reliance...to extend and deepen the scope of the state...the most devastatin' threat to the powers that be are those not beholden to the powers that be...what better way to non-violently reduce the numbers of those indifferents than to make them reliant, make them beholden..that's what beer virus is: the excuse
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:41 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:38 pm Just to be clear, Coronavirus, even if it’s over-hyped, over-counted & overblown, if you die of it, it may not be the worst way to die but gulping desperately for each breath isn’t a peaceful way to go.
And if you don't die there's always "Long COVID"....

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... long-covid
if anyone ever bothered to go here...

https://swprs.org/

...they coulda read about it a while back

I've been postin' links and updates from that site for months in my perspectives thread
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