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8) I really like that illustration.
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Belinda wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:14 am 8)
henry quirk wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:45 pm B1CDECA1-53F8-4D9E-AFE6-50C62A300884.jpeg
8) I really like that illustration.
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...when it should be focused on this...

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Re: ...when it should be focused on this...

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henry quirk wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:26 pm 00FD80A4-F5C2-4E6D-A395-7EE52B1075DA.jpeg
Deaths are a marker of serious disease and should receive more attention than incidence of positive tests, which includes cases of mild or no symptoms and which cause no measurable distress.

However there’s a CAVEAT: the axes are unlabeled. The graph of deaths could be good news or bad news depending on which axis represents number of days since death. Depending on the meaning of the axes, the graph may be telling us that there have been no days since the last death, I.e. there’s a death that occurred each day that the plotline is at or near 0.
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commonsense wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:46 pm
henry quirk wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:26 pm 00FD80A4-F5C2-4E6D-A395-7EE52B1075DA.jpeg
Deaths are a marker of serious disease and should receive more attention than incidence of positive tests, which includes cases of mild or no symptoms and which cause no measurable distress.

However there’s a CAVEAT: the axes are unlabeled. The graph of deaths could be good news or bad news depending on which axis represents number of days since death. Depending on the meaning of the axes, the graph may be telling us that there have been no days since the last death, I.e. there’s a death that occurred each day that the plotline is at or near 0.
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henry quirk wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:30 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:46 pm
henry quirk wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:26 pm 00FD80A4-F5C2-4E6D-A395-7EE52B1075DA.jpeg
Deaths are a marker of serious disease and should receive more attention than incidence of positive tests, which includes cases of mild or no symptoms and which cause no measurable distress.

However there’s a CAVEAT: the axes are unlabeled. The graph of deaths could be good news or bad news depending on which axis represents number of days since death. Depending on the meaning of the axes, the graph may be telling us that there have been no days since the last death, I.e. there’s a death that occurred each day that the plotline is at or near 0.
amazin' how some folks are absolutely in love with beer virus bein' the Coronapocalypse

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You know I’m going to go after a graph with ambiguous axes. It’s just the math in me.

BTW, the graphs could either be good news (virus going away) or bad news (economy continues to be fucked), too.
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commonsense wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:46 pm
henry quirk wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:26 pm 00FD80A4-F5C2-4E6D-A395-7EE52B1075DA.jpeg
Deaths are a marker of serious disease and should receive more attention than incidence of positive tests, which includes cases of mild or no symptoms and which cause no measurable distress.

However there’s a CAVEAT: the axes are unlabeled. The graph of deaths could be good news or bad news depending on which axis represents number of days since death. Depending on the meaning of the axes, the graph may be telling us that there have been no days since the last death, I.e. there’s a death that occurred each day that the plotline is at or near 0.
The graphs are clear enough, it's just that neither you nor Henry seems to know how to read them. Note that one is in days since recorded cases hit 0.1 per million, while the second is the number of deaths per day since deaths hit 0.1 per million pop. Those aren't the same days. The second is a lagging indicator, it runs about 2 or 3 weeks behind the first, which you will note if you look at the end point of both graphs, with one reaching just a couple of days past the 180 while the other is around 200 days ... because it happened earlier.

So when Henry says to look at the second graph rather than the first, what he doesn't seem to understand is that the first graph tells you roughly what the lines on the second are going to do in two weeks give or take.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:58 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:46 pm
henry quirk wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:26 pm 00FD80A4-F5C2-4E6D-A395-7EE52B1075DA.jpeg
Deaths are a marker of serious disease and should receive more attention than incidence of positive tests, which includes cases of mild or no symptoms and which cause no measurable distress.

However there’s a CAVEAT: the axes are unlabeled. The graph of deaths could be good news or bad news depending on which axis represents number of days since death. Depending on the meaning of the axes, the graph may be telling us that there have been no days since the last death, I.e. there’s a death that occurred each day that the plotline is at or near 0.
The graphs are clear enough, it's just that neither you nor Henry seems to know how to read them. Note that one is in days since recorded cases hit 0.1 per million, while the second is the number of deaths per day since deaths hit 0.1 per million pop. Those aren't the same days. The second is a lagging indicator, it runs about 2 or 3 weeks behind the first, which you will note if you look at the end point of both graphs, with one reaching just a couple of days past the 180 while the other is around 200 days ... because it happened earlier.

So when Henry says to look at the second graph rather than the first, what he doesn't seem to understand is that the first graph tells you roughly what the lines on the second are going to do in two weeks give or take.
I took the text under the graph to be the title of the graph. I based my conclusion on the meaning of the axes being reversed due to lack of labeling. I’m sorry if I misled you to believe I had done otherwise.

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