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Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 12:42 am
by Gloominary
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 11:11 pm
Gloominary wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 9:30 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 6:49 pm

Sigh. The lockdown is to prevent spread. If the virus isn't spreading then a lockdown is working. Is that too difficult for you to understand?
Or, the virus isn't as infectious as predicted, and that's why it's not spreading, or, the virus hasn't spread (much) more in countries, provinces, regions and states that didn't lock themselves down than it has in countries, provinces and so on that did, because lockdown is ineffective.
What tangible proof do they have that lockdown is effective?
Nothing like this has ever been tried before on anything like this scale in modernity.
Would you be happier if they didn't include the very old in the statistics?

They should only say a person died of Covid if they can prove they wouldn't've died immediately or within days or weeks had they not contracted Covid.
How would that make a difference to your opinion?
Lockdown has costs, like billions of newly unemployed and hundreds of millions of starving people, and supposedly it has a benefit, the prevention of the spread of Covid.
The more costs there are, and the less deaths it'll prevent, the less lockdown is warranted.
You can't take the virus away once a person has it, but you can limit its spread. What kind of a result would satisfy you?
Sweden didn't lock itself down Covid has appeared to have peaked there.
If instead of 3000 of 10 million Swedes dying say 100 thousand or 1 million died, which's what they said was going to happen if we didn't lock ourselves down, then maybe they'd have an argument.
3000 of 10 million or 0.03% of the Swedes is nothing, about 100 000 Swedes die every year of every accident and every disease.
And of those 3000 how many would've died anyway had they not contracted Covid?
Probably most if not almost all of them.
And of those that wouldn't've died anyway, how many could they saved had they locked themselves down?
Some of Sweden's neighbors like Belgium and Netherlands that locked themselves down faired worse than Sweden.
There's no proof they would've saved a single person had they locked themselves down.
There is really no point in commenting about Sweden's result. If they did the right thing then you can be terribly wise 'with hindsight' :roll: They took a huge gamble. It may turn out to have been the right thing to do, or it may not. It's not over for them yet. Perhaps they will get herd immunity. The POINT is that NO ONE KNOWS YET!
No there was never any reason to believe this virus would kill millions upon millions of people like they said it would if we didn't trade in our liberty, but every reason to believe global lockdown would destroy billions of jobs and starve hundreds of millions of people, just like there was never any reason to believe Saddam Hussein had ties with Al Qaeda or WMDs.
It's a nothing burger, just like the war on drugs, the war on terror, Christine Blasey Ford, Russian collusion, bird and swine flu, Ebola, hantavirus, West Nile Virus, MERS, SARS and so on.
Just another pretext to expand big business, government, pharma and MSM at the expense of our liberty and prosperity.

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 12:59 am
by Gloominary
Sweden played it safe and the world gambled, or rather, pissed their democracy, freedom, jobs and small businesses down the drain.

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 1:01 am
by vegetariantaxidermy
Gloominary wrote: Mon May 04, 2020 12:42 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 11:11 pm
Gloominary wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 9:30 pm
Or, the virus isn't as infectious as predicted, and that's why it's not spreading, or, the virus hasn't spread (much) more in countries, provinces, regions and states that didn't lock themselves down than it has in countries, provinces and so on that did, because lockdown is ineffective.
What tangible proof do they have that lockdown is effective?
Nothing like this has ever been tried before on anything like this scale in modernity.


They should only say a person died of Covid if they can prove they wouldn't've died immediately or within days or weeks had they not contracted Covid.


Lockdown has costs, like billions of newly unemployed and hundreds of millions of starving people, and supposedly it has a benefit, the prevention of the spread of Covid.
The more costs there are, and the less deaths it'll prevent, the less lockdown is warranted.


Sweden didn't lock itself down Covid has appeared to have peaked there.
If instead of 3000 of 10 million Swedes dying say 100 thousand or 1 million died, which's what they said was going to happen if we didn't lock ourselves down, then maybe they'd have an argument.
3000 of 10 million or 0.03% of the Swedes is nothing, about 100 000 Swedes die every year of every accident and every disease.
And of those 3000 how many would've died anyway had they not contracted Covid?
Probably most if not almost all of them.
And of those that wouldn't've died anyway, how many could they saved had they locked themselves down?
Some of Sweden's neighbors like Belgium and Netherlands that locked themselves down faired worse than Sweden.
There's no proof they would've saved a single person had they locked themselves down.
There is really no point in commenting about Sweden's result. If they did the right thing then you can be terribly wise 'with hindsight' :roll: They took a huge gamble. It may turn out to have been the right thing to do, or it may not. It's not over for them yet. Perhaps they will get herd immunity. The POINT is that NO ONE KNOWS YET!
No there was never any reason to believe this virus would kill millions upon millions of people like they said it would if we didn't trade in our liberty, but every reason to believe plunging the world economy into a recession/depression would destroy billions of jobs and starve hundreds of millions of people, just like there was never any reason to believe Saddam Hussein had ties with Al Qaeda or WMDs.
It's a nothing burger, just like the war on drugs, the war on terror, Christine Blasey Ford, Russian collusion, bird and swine flu, Ebola, hantavirus, west Nile virus, MERS, SARS and so on.
Just another pretext to expand big business, government, pharma and MSM at the expense of our liberty and prosperity.
There's no way of knowing what it will do economically. Was it ever a good thing to have so much dependence on China? How many trillions does the US spend on the military? If it really cares about 'the economy' then it could put all that money into saving small businesses and jobs.

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:18 am
by Gloominary
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon May 04, 2020 1:01 am
Gloominary wrote: Mon May 04, 2020 12:42 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 11:11 pm

There is really no point in commenting about Sweden's result. If they did the right thing then you can be terribly wise 'with hindsight' :roll: They took a huge gamble. It may turn out to have been the right thing to do, or it may not. It's not over for them yet. Perhaps they will get herd immunity. The POINT is that NO ONE KNOWS YET!
No there was never any reason to believe this virus would kill millions upon millions of people like they said it would if we didn't trade in our liberty, but every reason to believe plunging the world economy into a recession/depression would destroy billions of jobs and starve hundreds of millions of people, just like there was never any reason to believe Saddam Hussein had ties with Al Qaeda or WMDs.
It's a nothing burger, just like the war on drugs, the war on terror, Christine Blasey Ford, Russian collusion, bird and swine flu, Ebola, hantavirus, west Nile virus, MERS, SARS and so on.
Just another pretext to expand big business, government, pharma and MSM at the expense of our liberty and prosperity.
There's no way of knowing what it will do economically. Was it ever a good thing to have so much dependence on China? How many trillions does the US spend on the military? If it really cares about 'the economy' then it could put all that money into saving small businesses and jobs.
A total of 81% of the global workforce of 3.3 billion people have had their workplace fully or partly closed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52199888
‘Instead of Coronavirus, the Hunger Will Kill Us.’ A Global Food Crisis Looms.
The world has never faced a hunger emergency like this, experts say. It could double the number of people facing acute hunger to 265 million by the end of this year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/worl ... risis.html

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:20 am
by Gloominary
Anyway, that about wraps things up for me, I'm sure it'll all work out for the best. :lol:

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 4:54 pm
by Gloominary
Another interview with Dr. Erickson and Dr. Massihi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f0VRtY9oTs

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 3:53 am
by Gloominary
Swedish health agency says virus has peaked in Stockholm
Around one-third of Stockholm’s 1 million people will have had the novel coronavirus by the start of May
Stockholm accounts for around half of Sweden’s 15,300 confirmed cases of COVID-19, the respiratory disease caused by the virus, and a high proportion of its 1,765 deaths, including among very elderly people living in care homes.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN2232AI

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 4:21 am
by Gloominary
Sweden never locked down.
Stockholm has probably passed peak infection and death.
Stockholm has 1 million Swedes and a 3rd of them have been infected with Covid.
As of today, Sweden has had less than 3000 deaths and about half of them occurred in Stockholm.
1500 of 1 million, that's only 0.15%, and most of them were 70+ with cancer, diabetes, heart disease, other viral and bacterial infections and probably would've died in any case.
And of those who wouldn't've died, it's unclear whether lockdown would've saved any of them.
If we followed Sweden's example, billions of jobs, millions of small businesses and hundreds of millions of lives could be spared.
Perhaps we can still spare those lives.
If you quarantine anyone, you quarantine the sick and extremely vulnerable populations like people living in nursing homes.
You don't quarantine the healthy.

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 5:18 am
by Gloominary
More and more our governments are behaving like China under the guise of fighting the virus from China.

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 9:37 am
by Sculptor
Atla wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 1:50 pmIt's another dirty cover-up tactic, and it works on most stupid people.
That's why such things tend to work on you.

Re: Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:52 am
by vegetariantaxidermy