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sumthin' is wrong here

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Approximately...

7.8 billion people live on Earth.

Life goes on.


Approximately...

57 million people die yearly.

Life goes on.


Approximately...

19 million people have died since January 1, 2020.

Life goes on.


*232,570 people have officially died from 🍺 virus.

Life doesn't go on.

🤔









*quite apart from that 19 million
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Approximately...

7.8 billion people live on Earth.

Life goes on.

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Approximately...

57 million people die yearly.

Life goes on.

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Approximately...

20 million people have died since January 1, 2020.

Life goes on.

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Approximately...

150 thousand people die daily.

Life goes on.

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Approximately...

6 thousand people die every hour.

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*278,814 people have officially died from 🍺 virus.

Life doesn't go on.









*quite apart from that 20 million (and that 150 thousand, etcetera)
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Re: sumthin' is wrong here

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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:31 pm Life doesn't go on.
Why put all that effort into presenting your thing as an excercise in perspective only to erupt into a hysterical overstatement at the end?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:59 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:31 pm Life doesn't go on.
Why put all that effort into presenting your thing as an excercise in perspective only to erupt into a hysterical overstatement at the end?
This...

hysterical overstatement

...is your opinion.

I see Life doesn't go on. as bold & dramatic & utterly accurate.
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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:06 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:59 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:31 pm Life doesn't go on.
Why put all that effort into presenting your thing as an excercise in perspective only to erupt into a hysterical overstatement at the end?
This...

hysterical overstatement

...is your opinion.

I see it as bold & dramatic & utterly accurate.
So large amounts of death does not end life, life goes on. But interruptions to commerce utterly wipes us out?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:32 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:06 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:59 pm
Why put all that effort into presenting your thing as an excercise in perspective only to erupt into a hysterical overstatement at the end?
This...

hysterical overstatement

...is your opinion.

I see it as bold & dramatic & utterly accurate.
So large amounts of death does not end life, life goes on. But interruptions to commerce utterly wipes us out?
Man, if you don't or can't see it ain't nuthin' I can post is gonna move you.

You got your perspective; I got mine.
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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:35 pm Fact
Fact
Fact




Feels
Fixed that for you
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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:31 pm Approximately...

7.8 billion people live on Earth.

Life goes on.

-----

Approximately...

57 million people die yearly.

Life goes on.

-----

Approximately...

20 million people have died since January 1, 2020.

Life goes on.

------

Approximately...

150 thousand people die daily.

Life goes on.

-----

Approximately...

6 thousand people die every hour.

-----

*278,814 people have officially died from 🍺 virus.

Life doesn't go on.









*quite apart from that 20 million (and that 150 thousand, etcetera)
It's not just about the simple numbers.
Its about saving people that can live as long as they can get access to treatments.
Its about enabling medical services to cope.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/hist ... ronavirus/
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:37 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:35 pm Fact
Fact
Fact




Perspective
Fixed that for you
corrected
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It's not just about the simple numbers.

Yeah, it is.


Its about saving people that can live as long as they can get access to treatments.

Mighta been, ain't now.


Its about enabling medical services to cope.

Not any more.

frankly: I don't think it was ever about savin' people, or aidin' hospitals, but I'm just a mean-spirited bastid, so... *shrug*
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Perspectives - with cherry picked numbers

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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:35 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:32 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:06 pm

This...

hysterical overstatement

...is your opinion.

I see it as bold & dramatic & utterly accurate.
So large amounts of death does not end life, life goes on. But interruptions to commerce utterly wipes us out?
Man, if you don't or can't see it ain't nuthin' I can post is gonna move you.

You got your perspective; I got mine.
Rmember when this excercise was sold as "perspective, based only in the numbers"?
Now having been called out for abusing poetic license, you resort to post-structural Frenchness to support it as some sort of fact.

It's the same trick veritas aquafresh uses when his arguments don't work, so suddenly he switches to trying make some nonsense about "evil DNA" suddenly a matter of philosophical anti-realism. If you are suddenly converted to a consistent belief that there is no truth, that's maybe interesting, but a lot of your previous statements on this forum would need a revisit if that were actually the case. So obviously you only pulled that one out of your ass to avoid admitting that "Life doesn't go on" is not a real fact that you could collect from those numbers, which is kind of lame.
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Rmember when this excercise was sold as "perspective, based only in the numbers"?

Yep. That's what it was; that's what it is.

Challenge the numbers or challenge the perspective.

till then, have a monkey...
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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 11:35 pm Challenge the numbers or challenge the perspective.
You refuse to discuss the perspective though. When challenged you replied...
henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 4:35 pm Man, if you don't or can't see it ain't nuthin' I can post is gonna move you.

You got your perspective; I got mine.
Why ask to be challenged on a subject that you just explain away as you got yours and I got mine?
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This...

So large amounts of death does not end life, life goes on. But interruptions to commerce utterly wipes us out?

...was your challenge.

In light of everything I've posted on the subject and that's your picayune takeaway: Henry is irked about losin' out on some money.

I ain't wastin' my time on explainin' why money isn't even in the top ten of what grinds my gears about this nonsense.
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henry quirk wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 11:58 pm This...

So large amounts of death does not end life, life goes on. But interruptions to commerce utterly wipes us out?

...was your challenge.

In light of everything I've posted on the subject and that's your picayune takeaway: Henry is irked about losin' out on some money.

I ain't wastin' my time on explainin' why money isn't even in the top ten of what grinds my gears about this nonsense.
Your actual top ten won't change anything.
People have to do stuff they don't wanna, life goes on. It will end.
People aren't allowed to do stuff they do wanna do, life goes on. It will end.

You can just apply your own methodology from the top of the thread to whichever interruption to normal service you object to and discover that in the grand scheme of things it isn't all that massive. If you are applying an argument that puts things into perspective by applying global statistics to particular objects in order to minimise them, that is something you really ought to think through ahead of time, as the same methodology can in context be applied to your own thing. This being a philosophy forum, you should expect that and prepare for it.

If you just want to vent without applying the same tests to your opinion that you apply to other opinions, that is for facebook. Anyone who permits it here is just bad at philosophy.
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