An Open Letter to Mathematicians

[roydop]

The following is a description of the underlying state that makes mathematics appear to be both discovered and invented. If the description is found to describe a state that fulfills the criteria of expressing both discovered and invented qualities, and that state is experiential in nature (it can and does happen), then this shows why mathematics appears to be in a superposition of being both discovered and invented. If an actual state can be identified as expressing both discovered and invented qualities, then this state must be seen as a resolution to the question:

“Is mathematics discovered or invented?”

ARGUEMENT

The state of a message being found but improperly interpreted is a state that would contain both discovery and invention.

A message is created with the explicit intent for it to be discovered. After discovery, the message contained within the information must be correctly interpreted and then acted upon. Post interpretation, the purpose of the message having been realized, the message is discarded and forgotten. If, however, the information is misinterpreted and the message is not received, that consciousness will continue to interpret the information until the message is correctly understood and acted upon.

The Theory of Enlightenment states that the number system is a message implanted within consciousness, and that mathematics, starting at the creation of addition (aka: “counting”) is the incorrect interpretation of the message. “0 123456789” is expressing a qualia of reality; the quality of evolution. The creation of “quantity” via the 360 page Principia Mathematica proof for 1+1=2, is the first iteration of the incorrect interpretation of the message. This is the point where the invention aspect of mathematics arose. Principia Mathematica is the invention of mathematics; mathematics does not start at the number system, mathematics starts at addition. The continued expansion of mathematics is the ongoing attempt to correctly interpret the meaning of numbers. Godels Incompleteness Theorem applies to the initial assumption of addition.
In conclusion, the Theory of Enlightenment states that the number system is a message implanted within consciousness (time), and that human consciousness has yet to correctly interpret (until the appearance of this theory) the message and that mathematics, starting at quantity/counting, is the incorrect interpretation of the message.

Without delving into details about the message itself, it is obvious that the state of a found message being misinterpreted, is a state that would express both discovered, and invented.

Has or can, anyone else presented a model of a state (not just an imagined one) that precisely expresses both discovered and invented qualities? If not, then how is this NOT the resolution to the debate as to whether mathematics is either discovered or invented?

[Agent Smith]

With all due respect, I'm afraid you're gravely mistaken. I'm not perfect though, so yeah.

[roydop]

With all due respect, I'm afraid you're gravely mistaken. I'm not perfect though, so yeah.

Care to point out how?

The empire has no clothes and no one is egoless enough to recognize it or brave enough to say it.

[Agent Smith]

With all due respect, I'm afraid you're gravely mistaken. I'm not perfect though, so yeah.

Care to point out how?

The empire has no clothes and no one is egoless enough to recognize it or brave enough to say it.

Perhaps we should explore ... more. I can't seem to come out of me room.

[Skepdick]

...expressing a qualia of reality...

There's the source of all your problems.

You've confused the origin of qualia.

The phrase "expressing qualia" is perfectly reasonable - you are expressing the qualities as you are experiencing them.
The phrase "expressing qualia of reality" is confused gobledygook - your head doesn't have direct access to reality's qualities.

“Is mathematics discovered or invented?”

The trouble is that you don't understand the question. Mathematics is both discovered and invented.

Some people invent Mathematics.
Some people discover other people's Mathematical inventions.

See, most children have the intuiton that if I give you an apple, and then another one you have two apples.
No child ever born with the understanding of what the symbols "1+1=2" mean or represent.

You had to learn to use/manipulate symbols...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_algebra

[Iwannaplato]

The empire has no clothes and no one is egoless enough to recognize it or brave enough to say it.

I doubt the other people who have said that math is both invented and discovered were egoless, nor to I think it is a necessary state for that position....
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mathemat ... van-martis
https://www.sfu.ca/~rpyke/cafe/livio.pdf
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/g ... h-mystery/
https://piggsboson.medium.com/is-math-i ... c4d626bc10
and there's a lot more.

But here's the irony. We have someone saying that no one [but he] is egoless enough to recognize or say it.
When this is not the case AND the post itself is so narcissistic in this very claim.

Remove the beam from your own eye. [I'm not a Christian, but I always thought that was a nice metaphor]

[roydop]

...expressing a qualia of reality...

There's the source of all your problems.

You've confused the origin of qualia.

The phrase "expressing qualia" is perfectly reasonable - you are expressing the qualities as you are experiencing them.
The phrase "expressing qualia of reality" is confused gobledygook - your head doesn't have direct access to reality's qualities.

“Is mathematics discovered or invented?”

The trouble is that you don't understand the question. Mathematics is both discovered and invented.

Some people invent Mathematics.
Some people discover other people's Mathematical inventions.

See, most children have the intuiton that if I give you an apple, and then another one you have two apples.
No child ever born with the understanding of what the symbols "1+1=2" mean or represent.

You had to learn to use/manipulate symbols...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_algebra

"Mathematics is both discovered and invented."

Yeah. And my model expresses the state, an actual phenomenon that can be experienced, that gives rise to the appearance of mathematics being both discovered and invented.

This is OBVIOUS

[Skepdick]

"Mathematics is both discovered and invented."

Yeah. And my model expresses the state, an actual phenomenon that can be experienced, that gives rise to the appearance of mathematics being both discovered and invented.

This is OBVIOUS

I guess at some point you are going to have to tell us what you think Mathematics is.

What are you refering to when you use that term?
Where is that which you are refering to located?
What does it do?

Characterise Mathematics from a Phenomenological viewpoint.

[roydop]

The empire has no clothes and no one is egoless enough to recognize it or brave enough to say it.

I doubt the other people who have said that math is both invented and discovered were egoless, nor to I think it is a necessary state for that position....
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mathemat ... van-martis
https://www.sfu.ca/~rpyke/cafe/livio.pdf
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/g ... h-mystery/
https://piggsboson.medium.com/is-math-i ... c4d626bc10
and there's a lot more.

But here's the irony. We have someone saying that no one [but he] is egoless enough to recognize or say it.
When this is not the case AND the post itself is so narcissistic in this very claim.

Remove the beam from your own eye. [I'm not a Christian, but I always thought that was a nice metaphor]

Try to stay focused. Is the state that my model is expressing, a state of being both discovered and invented?

[roydop]

"Mathematics is both discovered and invented."

Yeah. And my model expresses the state, an actual phenomenon that can be experienced, that gives rise to the appearance of mathematics being both discovered and invented.

This is OBVIOUS

I guess at some point you are going to have to tell us what you think Mathematics is.

What are you refering to when you use that term?
Where is that which you are refering to located?
What does it do?

Characterise Mathematics from a Phenomenological viewpoint.

I am saying that the information expressed by 0 123456789... is relating exclusively to the cycle of Samsara (the infinite redundant cycle of birth/death/birth/death...). Humanity is the 10 and we are going through a MASSIVE phase transition, as expressed by the 11...

The point at which "quantity" arose within consciousness is the point where the information was misinterpreted. "Counting" is addition and the 360 page "proof" of 1+1=2 is the INVENTION of math. Godels theorem is SHOWING that math is the incorrect path.

I'm not saying that math doesn't work, I'm saying that it works as a tool of Maya to lead consciousness away from Self-Awareness and into delusion

[Skepdick]

I am saying that the information expressed by

What do you mean by "information"?

Are you not refering to the concept as ellucidated in Information Theory and as defined in Shannon's Mathematical theory of communication

It's a pretty abundant concept. You live in the Information Age after all...

expressed by 0 123456789...

I think you have very deep misunderstanding about how number systems work

The information expressed (as above) can be trivially encoded in a Unary number system like so...
------

0
00
000
0000
00000
...
---------

[Harbal]

Are you not refering to the concept as ellucidated in Information Theory and as defined in Shannon's Mathematical theory of communication

I was about to ask him the exact same things.

[roydop]

I am saying that the information expressed by

What do you mean by "information"?

Are you not refering to the concept as ellucidated in Information Theory and as defined in Shannon's Mathematical theory of communication

It's a pretty abundant concept. You live in the Information Age after all...

expressed by 0 123456789...

I think you have very deep misunderstanding about how number systems work

The information expressed (as above) can be trivially encoded in a Unary number system like so...
------

0
00
000
0000
00000
...
---------

I am referring to the MEANING of 0 123456789. Mathematics doesn't see any meaning to the information and this ignorance has lead to the continuous expansion of mathematics. Until the meaning (the message) is correctly interpreted consciousness will attempt to find the meaning of the information.

The degree of BLINDNESS in this forum is shocking. It's completely obvious to one who has not been brainwashed. Unfortunately due to our being forced into academia, the entire species is incapable of seeing what is obvious

My theory simply and elegantly reveals the MEANING OF NUMBERS.

[Skepdick]

I am referring to the MEANING of 0 123456789.

Same thing I am refering to. Perhaps you aren't familiar with the syntax/semantics distinction.

The symbols are just syntax. The meaning of those symbols is in your head...

Mathematics doesn't see any meaning to the information and this ignorance has lead to the continuous expansion of mathematics. Until the meaning (the message) is correctly interpreted consciousness will attempt to find the meaning of the information.

You don't seem to understand the notions of encoding/decoding in information theory.

Or the notion of Kolmogorov complexity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_complexity

The degree of BLINDNESS in this forum is shocking. It's completely obvious to one who has not been brainwashed. Unfortunately due to our being forced into academia, the entire species is incapable of seeing what is obvious

Good thing I am an autodidact then - so my mind is as unbrainwashed as yours.

My theory simply and elegantly reveals the MEANING OF NUMBERS.

You really don't seem to understand the concept of theorizing. It's the very process of meaning-making.

You take something concrete and you construct a framework in which to interpret it in. A model... Model theory is also part of Mathematics.

Rest assured, the only reason you think your work is novel and unique is because you work alone. So you have no idea what knowledge is already out there. It'll do you good to socialise.

[Harbal]

The degree of BLINDNESS in this forum is shocking.

I know. It's enough to make one sit in a chair for two hours imagining he is blissfully happy.