1=0 III

What is the basis for reason? And mathematics?

Moderators: AMod, iMod

Eodnhoj7
Posts: 8595
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm
alan1000 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:01 pm

Can you develop this point, as I am presently unable to attach any precise meaning to it. I am not aware that the universe can be quantified in any final or precise way. Even if it could, in what way would this be a paradox?
1. There is only the universe.
I AGREE. But this is just because of what the 'Universe' means, or refers to, EXACTLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 2. This "only" states necessitates it as quantifiably 1
This is not the best written statement, but I AGREE. But this is only because there can ONLY EVER BE just One Universe, ONLY. Unless, OF COURSE, ANY one wants to CHANGE the definition of the 'Universe' to MEAN some OTHER 'thing'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 3. Dually this "only" state necessitates it as without comparison and comparison is necessary for form considering comparison is when one thing stands apart from another.
1. But there IS NO "other", and there NEVER could be "another".

2. YET, here we ARE, living IN an EVER-CHANGING in FORM Universe, which, OBVIOUSLY, STANDS OUT, BEFORE 'us'.

3. OF COURSE thee One and ONLY Universe is WITHOUT COMPARISON. It would be an IMPOSSIBILITY to have "ANOTHER" when One IS infinite AND eternal. There can NOT be ANOTHER 'thing' when there is One infinite AND eternal 'Thing' existing ALREADY.

4. WHY did you USE the 'dually' word here? Were you, consciously, semi-consciously, or unconsciously 'trying to' ADD a 'layer' of CONTRADICTION here, in the hope that this would HELP in backing up and supporting your ALREADY OBTAINED, WELL MAINTAINED, and STRONGLY HELD ONTO GAINED BELIEF here, somehow?

If no, then HOW do you KNOW that 'you' were NOT 'trying to' do this 'unconsciously'?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 4. Because the universe has no comparison it is without form, thus it is 'nothing/no-thing' thus 0.
Talk about HOLDING ONTO A BELIEF and just EXPRESSING 'it' in the hope that "others" WILL AGREE WITH and ACCEPT 'it'.

Because the Universe, Itself, OBVIOUSLY has NO comparison, Itself, and NEVER could, this in NO WAY 'means' that the Universe is WITHOUT FORM, NOR is NOTHING, and to think or BELIEVE otherwise is just ABSURDITY, in the extreme.

But ABSURDITY is what BELIEFS can LEAD TO.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 5. The universe is both 1 and 0 when quantified.
ONLY when one is 'trying to' support an ALREADY HELD False, Wrong, AND Incorrect BELIEF, which they are HOLDING ONTO, MAINTAINING, and will NOT let go of.
1. If the universe is ever changing then its potential change exists and the universe is not entirely 1 due to time, it has one identity as one time and another identity at another. These differences in time necessitates differences in identity. Thus one time is one universe and another time is another universe. If there are multiple universes then one cannot call it everything as there is an everything beyond another everything thus it is not everything.

2. Contrast is necessary for form as the contrast allows for distinction. Considering the universe cannot have contrast, otherwise there would be something which exists beyond everything thus negating everything, it cannot have form.
Eodnhoj7
Posts: 8595
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:26 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:11 pm
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm
"Everything" (every thing) implies lots of things; the "totality" being just one of them. To take all the things that exist, clump them all together, and call the result one totality, is just something you have inexplicably decided to do, but I can't imagine why you decided to do it. I can't see what you achieved by it.


It would be hard to imagine a less meaningful statement than this. :?

Even so, I notice that you coudn't resist trying to produce one:
1. Why? Because it is an example where logical analysis results in absurdity. It is an example of contradiction where not all phenomenon can be measured. In this case it is the "totality".
But 'it' CAN BE 'measured'. As SHOWN and PROVED True by you here just measured 'it', AS 'TOTALITY',

The 'phenomenon' of ALL the perceived 'things', together, IS 'TOTALITY', 'ALL-THERE-IS', or 'Everything', among other 'measured out' words, phrases, or terms.
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm 2. There is only everything and this everything is without compare thus is formless, this is considering comparison is necessary for form as one thing must stand apart from another if it is to exist.
1. Just RE-REPEATING things does NOT make them true, nor right, nor correct.

2. Everything CAN BE COMPARED to SOME 'thing' ELSE. 'you', "eodnhoj7", are just NOT YET OPEN ENOUGH to SEEING and UNDERSTANDING this IRREFUTABLE Fact.

3. This Everything IS A FORM, which, OBVIOUSLY, could NEVER be REFUTED.

4. This One FORM and 'Thing' DOES STAND OUT from the "OTHER" form and 'thing'. SO, COMPARISON IS VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to SEE, and UNDERSTAND. 'you' are, currently, just BLIND and DEAF to SEEING and HEARING these 'forms', "eodnhoj7".
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm If it, i.e. everything, where to have comparison then it would not be everything as there would be something beyond everything thus everything would not be everything.
Also, this might sound 'logical' to you, and ACTUALLY IS, in a way, because you are NOT LOOKING AT the WHOLE Picture, you are MISSING the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE FULL Truth here.
1. Measurement of the totality results in contradiction.
2. If 'everything' can be compared to something else then it is not 'everything'.
3. If the one does standout from the other form or thing then it is no longer one as the relationship between the one and the other, through contrast, necessitates a multitude of things.
Eodnhoj7
Posts: 8595
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:55 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:46 pm 1. There is only the totality, ie everything.
"Everything" (every thing) implies lots of things; the "totality" being just one of them. To take all the things that exist, clump them all together, and call the result one totality, is just something you have inexplicably decided to do, but I can't imagine why you decided to do it. I can't see what you achieved by it.
The sum of EVERY 'thing' is, literally, 'Everything'. That is; when we put, or pull, 'Every thing' together, then we, literally, get, and have, 'Everything'.

The PURPOSE for doing this WILL become OBVIOUS and CLEAR, later on. But, by the way, the PURPOSE is completely DIFFERENT than the one "eodnhoj7" is 'trying to' accomplish here.
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm
However considering there is only the totality there is no comparison for it necessary for it to take form thus it is 'void' or 0.
It would be hard to imagine a less meaningful statement than this. :?
I AGREE, ABSOLUTELY.
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm Even so, I notice that you coudn't resist trying to produce one:
1=0 through the totality.
But 'trying to' produce a less meaningful statement is NOT the EXACT SAME as ACTUALLY producing a less meaningful statement. Which, to me, "eodnhoj7" HAS produced ANOTHER statement here that IS Truly meaningless.
The statement means contradiction.
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:46 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:09 pm

The universe as everything is the universe as nothing.
HOW can SOME 'thing', supposedly, at the EXACT SAME time, ALSO be NO 'thing'?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:09 pm Everything is indefinite as it has no compare thus it is formless, in these respects it equates to no-thing.
This is just NONSENSE.

The word 'Everything' can EITHER refer to the One Thing, which is, or equals, the sum of EVERY 'thing', or ALL 'things'. Or, that word can refer to EVERY 'thing'.

Now, 'Everything' is DEFINITE, as 'It' DEFINITELY EXISTS. 'It' EXISTS in SHAPE, and FORM, as PROVED IRREFUTABLY True by what IS laying BEFORE, what is sometimes MISTAKENLY referred to as, 'you'.

CLAIMING that because there is NOTHING to compare to Everything or ALL-THERE-IS that then MEANS Everything/ALL-THERE-IS is therefore formless is just A FALLACY, and then to further go on that because the one known here as "eodnhoj7" CLAIMS that Everything IS formless, this then MEANS that Everything IS then ALSO 'no-thing' is just ANOTHER and FURTHER FALLACY.

What "eodnhoj7" is doing here is PROVIDING EXAMPLES of how while people have or are holding a BELIEF, then they WILL say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support that BELIEF. They will also do this NO matter how Wrong or STUPID the FALLACY IS, which they SAY and 'try to' USE. As PROVED True here ONCE AGAIN.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:09 pm The universe is beyond comprehension unless one accepts contradiction and paradox.
Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of the BELIEF-system WITHIN human beings AT WORK and completely and utterly CONTROLLING 'them', while DISTORTING the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth in nth degree.

See, what these people would do is BELIEVE that whatever was beyond what they had come to know, then 'it' was UNKNOWABLE, UNFATHOMABLE, or COMPREHENSIBLE, FOREVER MORE. Which, as 'we' ALL KNOW, the ABSURDITY OF, speaks for ITSELF.

By the way, the Universe IS VERY ABLE to be COMPREHENDED, and VERY FAR FROM being A CONTRADICTION. Also, and further more, the word 'paradox' has two completely OPPOSING DEFINITIONS, which therefore MEANS the Universe IS A PARADOX, but NOT A PARADOX in the sense that you are THINKING, and IMAGINING, here.
1. A thing can be its opposite at the same time if it is the only thing that exists.
The ONLY Thing that exists IS, and HAS TO BE, comprised of opposite, what 'you', human beings, call, 'things'. But, until you provide us with an example of how the One and ONLY Thing can be Its opposite, at the EXACT SAME time, what you CLAIM here I can NOT YET SEE.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm It being the only thing that exists necessitates it as one considering it is the 'only' thing that exists.
Did you REALLY NEED to SAY and EXPRESS this?

Are you under some sort of ILLUSION that there would be a human being who would say otherwise or disagree here?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm Dually it being the only thing that exists necessitates it as zero considering it has no comparison necessary for identity.
'This' is of your OWN making and doing "eodnhoj7", and which you HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE of what you BELIEVE is true here.

What you SAY and CLAIM here NO one else here ACCEPTS, NOR AGREES WITH. Understood?

See, what happens is when 'you', human beings, BELIEVE some 'thing' is true, then 'you' will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support that BELIEF. Even when that BELIEF could NEVER be backed up NOR supported, reasonably.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm This is a contradiction thus the universe is based upon contradiction.
'It' is ONLY A 'contradiction' BECAUSE of 'you', "eodhnoj7", and your STUPID ATTEMPT at CLAIMING that there BEING some 'thing' NECESSITATES that 'thing' as zero. Which, is just a LUDICROUS and SELF-CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT, which, OBVIOUSLY, could NEVER be true, let alone EVER being right and/or correct.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm 2. Another example of a thing existing and not existing is Heraclitus's example of a river, it is both the same and different.
LOL So, WHEN, EXACTLY, is 'that river' NOT existing?

Also, ALL of 'you', human beings, are THE SAME, and DIFFERENT. But this will NEVER mean that 'you', human beings, are NOT existing.

'you', "eodnhoj7" REALLY DO come up with some of the STRANGEST STATEMENTS in your ATTEMPT to 'justify' what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm

1. There is only the universe.
I AGREE. But this is just because of what the 'Universe' means, or refers to, EXACTLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 2. This "only" states necessitates it as quantifiably 1
This is not the best written statement, but I AGREE. But this is only because there can ONLY EVER BE just One Universe, ONLY. Unless, OF COURSE, ANY one wants to CHANGE the definition of the 'Universe' to MEAN some OTHER 'thing'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 3. Dually this "only" state necessitates it as without comparison and comparison is necessary for form considering comparison is when one thing stands apart from another.
1. But there IS NO "other", and there NEVER could be "another".

2. YET, here we ARE, living IN an EVER-CHANGING in FORM Universe, which, OBVIOUSLY, STANDS OUT, BEFORE 'us'.

3. OF COURSE thee One and ONLY Universe is WITHOUT COMPARISON. It would be an IMPOSSIBILITY to have "ANOTHER" when One IS infinite AND eternal. There can NOT be ANOTHER 'thing' when there is One infinite AND eternal 'Thing' existing ALREADY.

4. WHY did you USE the 'dually' word here? Were you, consciously, semi-consciously, or unconsciously 'trying to' ADD a 'layer' of CONTRADICTION here, in the hope that this would HELP in backing up and supporting your ALREADY OBTAINED, WELL MAINTAINED, and STRONGLY HELD ONTO GAINED BELIEF here, somehow?

If no, then HOW do you KNOW that 'you' were NOT 'trying to' do this 'unconsciously'?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 4. Because the universe has no comparison it is without form, thus it is 'nothing/no-thing' thus 0.
Talk about HOLDING ONTO A BELIEF and just EXPRESSING 'it' in the hope that "others" WILL AGREE WITH and ACCEPT 'it'.

Because the Universe, Itself, OBVIOUSLY has NO comparison, Itself, and NEVER could, this in NO WAY 'means' that the Universe is WITHOUT FORM, NOR is NOTHING, and to think or BELIEVE otherwise is just ABSURDITY, in the extreme.

But ABSURDITY is what BELIEFS can LEAD TO.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:07 pm 5. The universe is both 1 and 0 when quantified.
ONLY when one is 'trying to' support an ALREADY HELD False, Wrong, AND Incorrect BELIEF, which they are HOLDING ONTO, MAINTAINING, and will NOT let go of.
1. If the universe is ever changing then its potential change exists and the universe is not entirely 1 due to time, it has one identity as one time and another identity at another.
But there is NO 'one time' and 'another time'. There is ONLY EVERY One continually moment of CHANGE. In other words the Universe IS CONTINUALLY evolving or CHANGING. Which means the Universe IS in A, or One, constant state of CHANGE.

WHY do you have such a NEED to 'TRY TO' 'justify' what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true?

WHY can you just NOT ACCEPT that what you BELIEVE is true, now, just might NOT be true AT ALL?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm These differences in time necessitates differences in identity.
But there is NO 'OTHER' identity to the One and ONLY Thing that exists. Unless, OF COURSE, 'you' WANT to CHANGE 'Its' identity, which, through thought, is what you CAN DO. But the Thing, Itself, WILL NEVER CHANGE just because 'you' THINK DIFFERENTLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm Thus one time is one universe and another time is another universe.
LOL Keep 'TRYING' "eodnhoj7". YOUR CONTINUAL ATTEMPTS PROVE absolutely True what I have been SAYING and CLAIMING here.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm If there are multiple universes then one cannot call it everything as there is an everything beyond another everything thus it is not everything.
This here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how ABSURD these people were and to what lengths and EXTREMES they WILL GO to 'TRY TO' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVED was true.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 2. Contrast is necessary for form as the contrast allows for distinction.
So, WHY is it 'you', "eodnhoj7", who SAYS and CLAIMS that there is ONLY One Thing that exists?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm Considering the universe cannot have contrast, otherwise there would be something which exists beyond everything thus negating everything, it cannot have form.
And the ONLY one 'you' are FOOLING here IS 'you', "eodnhoj7".
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:27 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:26 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:11 pm

1. Why? Because it is an example where logical analysis results in absurdity. It is an example of contradiction where not all phenomenon can be measured. In this case it is the "totality".
But 'it' CAN BE 'measured'. As SHOWN and PROVED True by you here just measured 'it', AS 'TOTALITY',

The 'phenomenon' of ALL the perceived 'things', together, IS 'TOTALITY', 'ALL-THERE-IS', or 'Everything', among other 'measured out' words, phrases, or terms.
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm 2. There is only everything and this everything is without compare thus is formless, this is considering comparison is necessary for form as one thing must stand apart from another if it is to exist.
1. Just RE-REPEATING things does NOT make them true, nor right, nor correct.

2. Everything CAN BE COMPARED to SOME 'thing' ELSE. 'you', "eodnhoj7", are just NOT YET OPEN ENOUGH to SEEING and UNDERSTANDING this IRREFUTABLE Fact.

3. This Everything IS A FORM, which, OBVIOUSLY, could NEVER be REFUTED.

4. This One FORM and 'Thing' DOES STAND OUT from the "OTHER" form and 'thing'. SO, COMPARISON IS VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to SEE, and UNDERSTAND. 'you' are, currently, just BLIND and DEAF to SEEING and HEARING these 'forms', "eodnhoj7".
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm If it, i.e. everything, where to have comparison then it would not be everything as there would be something beyond everything thus everything would not be everything.
Also, this might sound 'logical' to you, and ACTUALLY IS, in a way, because you are NOT LOOKING AT the WHOLE Picture, you are MISSING the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE FULL Truth here.
1. Measurement of the totality results in contradiction.
But ONLY to 'you' "eodnhoj7", as NO one "else" here SAYS NOR BELIEVES this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 2. If 'everything' can be compared to something else then it is not 'everything'.
And you are FREE to BELIEVE absolutely ANY 'thing' you like. But this will NEVER necessarily make what you BELIEVE is true to be ACTUALLY true. Is this UNDERSTOOD by you?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 3. If the one does standout from the other form or thing then it is no longer one as the relationship between the one and the other, through contrast, necessitates a multitude of things.
you REFUTE your OWN NONSENSE and CLAIMS here, so there is NOTHING MORE that I need to add here.
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:28 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:55 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm
"Everything" (every thing) implies lots of things; the "totality" being just one of them. To take all the things that exist, clump them all together, and call the result one totality, is just something you have inexplicably decided to do, but I can't imagine why you decided to do it. I can't see what you achieved by it.
The sum of EVERY 'thing' is, literally, 'Everything'. That is; when we put, or pull, 'Every thing' together, then we, literally, get, and have, 'Everything'.

The PURPOSE for doing this WILL become OBVIOUS and CLEAR, later on. But, by the way, the PURPOSE is completely DIFFERENT than the one "eodnhoj7" is 'trying to' accomplish here.
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm
It would be hard to imagine a less meaningful statement than this. :?
I AGREE, ABSOLUTELY.
Harbal wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:38 pm Even so, I notice that you coudn't resist trying to produce one:
But 'trying to' produce a less meaningful statement is NOT the EXACT SAME as ACTUALLY producing a less meaningful statement. Which, to me, "eodnhoj7" HAS produced ANOTHER statement here that IS Truly meaningless.
The statement means contradiction.
If YOUR statement MEANS 'contradiction', then YOUR STATEMENT, literally, speaks for ITSELF.
Eodnhoj7
Posts: 8595
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:46 am

HOW can SOME 'thing', supposedly, at the EXACT SAME time, ALSO be NO 'thing'?



This is just NONSENSE.

The word 'Everything' can EITHER refer to the One Thing, which is, or equals, the sum of EVERY 'thing', or ALL 'things'. Or, that word can refer to EVERY 'thing'.

Now, 'Everything' is DEFINITE, as 'It' DEFINITELY EXISTS. 'It' EXISTS in SHAPE, and FORM, as PROVED IRREFUTABLY True by what IS laying BEFORE, what is sometimes MISTAKENLY referred to as, 'you'.

CLAIMING that because there is NOTHING to compare to Everything or ALL-THERE-IS that then MEANS Everything/ALL-THERE-IS is therefore formless is just A FALLACY, and then to further go on that because the one known here as "eodnhoj7" CLAIMS that Everything IS formless, this then MEANS that Everything IS then ALSO 'no-thing' is just ANOTHER and FURTHER FALLACY.

What "eodnhoj7" is doing here is PROVIDING EXAMPLES of how while people have or are holding a BELIEF, then they WILL say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support that BELIEF. They will also do this NO matter how Wrong or STUPID the FALLACY IS, which they SAY and 'try to' USE. As PROVED True here ONCE AGAIN.



Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of the BELIEF-system WITHIN human beings AT WORK and completely and utterly CONTROLLING 'them', while DISTORTING the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth in nth degree.

See, what these people would do is BELIEVE that whatever was beyond what they had come to know, then 'it' was UNKNOWABLE, UNFATHOMABLE, or COMPREHENSIBLE, FOREVER MORE. Which, as 'we' ALL KNOW, the ABSURDITY OF, speaks for ITSELF.

By the way, the Universe IS VERY ABLE to be COMPREHENDED, and VERY FAR FROM being A CONTRADICTION. Also, and further more, the word 'paradox' has two completely OPPOSING DEFINITIONS, which therefore MEANS the Universe IS A PARADOX, but NOT A PARADOX in the sense that you are THINKING, and IMAGINING, here.
1. A thing can be its opposite at the same time if it is the only thing that exists.
The ONLY Thing that exists IS, and HAS TO BE, comprised of opposite, what 'you', human beings, call, 'things'. But, until you provide us with an example of how the One and ONLY Thing can be Its opposite, at the EXACT SAME time, what you CLAIM here I can NOT YET SEE.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm It being the only thing that exists necessitates it as one considering it is the 'only' thing that exists.
Did you REALLY NEED to SAY and EXPRESS this?

Are you under some sort of ILLUSION that there would be a human being who would say otherwise or disagree here?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm Dually it being the only thing that exists necessitates it as zero considering it has no comparison necessary for identity.
'This' is of your OWN making and doing "eodnhoj7", and which you HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE of what you BELIEVE is true here.

What you SAY and CLAIM here NO one else here ACCEPTS, NOR AGREES WITH. Understood?

See, what happens is when 'you', human beings, BELIEVE some 'thing' is true, then 'you' will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support that BELIEF. Even when that BELIEF could NEVER be backed up NOR supported, reasonably.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm This is a contradiction thus the universe is based upon contradiction.
'It' is ONLY A 'contradiction' BECAUSE of 'you', "eodhnoj7", and your STUPID ATTEMPT at CLAIMING that there BEING some 'thing' NECESSITATES that 'thing' as zero. Which, is just a LUDICROUS and SELF-CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT, which, OBVIOUSLY, could NEVER be true, let alone EVER being right and/or correct.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm 2. Another example of a thing existing and not existing is Heraclitus's example of a river, it is both the same and different.
LOL So, WHEN, EXACTLY, is 'that river' NOT existing?

Also, ALL of 'you', human beings, are THE SAME, and DIFFERENT. But this will NEVER mean that 'you', human beings, are NOT existing.

'you', "eodnhoj7" REALLY DO come up with some of the STRANGEST STATEMENTS in your ATTEMPT to 'justify' what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.
A river is both constant and changing; as changing the prior river ceases to exist when the new one occurs and yet it is always new thus it is simultaneously always passing away.
Eodnhoj7
Posts: 8595
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:22 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:13 am

I AGREE. But this is just because of what the 'Universe' means, or refers to, EXACTLY.


This is not the best written statement, but I AGREE. But this is only because there can ONLY EVER BE just One Universe, ONLY. Unless, OF COURSE, ANY one wants to CHANGE the definition of the 'Universe' to MEAN some OTHER 'thing'.


1. But there IS NO "other", and there NEVER could be "another".

2. YET, here we ARE, living IN an EVER-CHANGING in FORM Universe, which, OBVIOUSLY, STANDS OUT, BEFORE 'us'.

3. OF COURSE thee One and ONLY Universe is WITHOUT COMPARISON. It would be an IMPOSSIBILITY to have "ANOTHER" when One IS infinite AND eternal. There can NOT be ANOTHER 'thing' when there is One infinite AND eternal 'Thing' existing ALREADY.

4. WHY did you USE the 'dually' word here? Were you, consciously, semi-consciously, or unconsciously 'trying to' ADD a 'layer' of CONTRADICTION here, in the hope that this would HELP in backing up and supporting your ALREADY OBTAINED, WELL MAINTAINED, and STRONGLY HELD ONTO GAINED BELIEF here, somehow?

If no, then HOW do you KNOW that 'you' were NOT 'trying to' do this 'unconsciously'?


Talk about HOLDING ONTO A BELIEF and just EXPRESSING 'it' in the hope that "others" WILL AGREE WITH and ACCEPT 'it'.

Because the Universe, Itself, OBVIOUSLY has NO comparison, Itself, and NEVER could, this in NO WAY 'means' that the Universe is WITHOUT FORM, NOR is NOTHING, and to think or BELIEVE otherwise is just ABSURDITY, in the extreme.

But ABSURDITY is what BELIEFS can LEAD TO.


ONLY when one is 'trying to' support an ALREADY HELD False, Wrong, AND Incorrect BELIEF, which they are HOLDING ONTO, MAINTAINING, and will NOT let go of.
1. If the universe is ever changing then its potential change exists and the universe is not entirely 1 due to time, it has one identity as one time and another identity at another.
But there is NO 'one time' and 'another time'. There is ONLY EVERY One continually moment of CHANGE. In other words the Universe IS CONTINUALLY evolving or CHANGING. Which means the Universe IS in A, or One, constant state of CHANGE.

WHY do you have such a NEED to 'TRY TO' 'justify' what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true?

WHY can you just NOT ACCEPT that what you BELIEVE is true, now, just might NOT be true AT ALL?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm These differences in time necessitates differences in identity.
But there is NO 'OTHER' identity to the One and ONLY Thing that exists. Unless, OF COURSE, 'you' WANT to CHANGE 'Its' identity, which, through thought, is what you CAN DO. But the Thing, Itself, WILL NEVER CHANGE just because 'you' THINK DIFFERENTLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm Thus one time is one universe and another time is another universe.
LOL Keep 'TRYING' "eodnhoj7". YOUR CONTINUAL ATTEMPTS PROVE absolutely True what I have been SAYING and CLAIMING here.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm If there are multiple universes then one cannot call it everything as there is an everything beyond another everything thus it is not everything.
This here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how ABSURD these people were and to what lengths and EXTREMES they WILL GO to 'TRY TO' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVED was true.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 2. Contrast is necessary for form as the contrast allows for distinction.
So, WHY is it 'you', "eodnhoj7", who SAYS and CLAIMS that there is ONLY One Thing that exists?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm Considering the universe cannot have contrast, otherwise there would be something which exists beyond everything thus negating everything, it cannot have form.
And the ONLY one 'you' are FOOLING here IS 'you', "eodnhoj7".
The fact that there is a continual moment of change necessitates a past and present thus differing identities.
Eodnhoj7
Posts: 8595
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:25 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:27 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:26 am

But 'it' CAN BE 'measured'. As SHOWN and PROVED True by you here just measured 'it', AS 'TOTALITY',

The 'phenomenon' of ALL the perceived 'things', together, IS 'TOTALITY', 'ALL-THERE-IS', or 'Everything', among other 'measured out' words, phrases, or terms.


1. Just RE-REPEATING things does NOT make them true, nor right, nor correct.

2. Everything CAN BE COMPARED to SOME 'thing' ELSE. 'you', "eodnhoj7", are just NOT YET OPEN ENOUGH to SEEING and UNDERSTANDING this IRREFUTABLE Fact.

3. This Everything IS A FORM, which, OBVIOUSLY, could NEVER be REFUTED.

4. This One FORM and 'Thing' DOES STAND OUT from the "OTHER" form and 'thing'. SO, COMPARISON IS VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to SEE, and UNDERSTAND. 'you' are, currently, just BLIND and DEAF to SEEING and HEARING these 'forms', "eodnhoj7".


Also, this might sound 'logical' to you, and ACTUALLY IS, in a way, because you are NOT LOOKING AT the WHOLE Picture, you are MISSING the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE FULL Truth here.
1. Measurement of the totality results in contradiction.
But ONLY to 'you' "eodnhoj7", as NO one "else" here SAYS NOR BELIEVES this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 2. If 'everything' can be compared to something else then it is not 'everything'.
And you are FREE to BELIEVE absolutely ANY 'thing' you like. But this will NEVER necessarily make what you BELIEVE is true to be ACTUALLY true. Is this UNDERSTOOD by you?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 3. If the one does standout from the other form or thing then it is no longer one as the relationship between the one and the other, through contrast, necessitates a multitude of things.
you REFUTE your OWN NONSENSE and CLAIMS here, so there is NOTHING MORE that I need to add here.
Oneness is paradoxical. If only the universe exists then it is one. Yet without contrast it is zero. However if there is contrast then it is no longer one as there is something beyond the universe. Under these terms to discuss the universe results in non-sensical statements.
Eodnhoj7
Posts: 8595
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:27 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:28 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:55 am

The sum of EVERY 'thing' is, literally, 'Everything'. That is; when we put, or pull, 'Every thing' together, then we, literally, get, and have, 'Everything'.

The PURPOSE for doing this WILL become OBVIOUS and CLEAR, later on. But, by the way, the PURPOSE is completely DIFFERENT than the one "eodnhoj7" is 'trying to' accomplish here.


I AGREE, ABSOLUTELY.


But 'trying to' produce a less meaningful statement is NOT the EXACT SAME as ACTUALLY producing a less meaningful statement. Which, to me, "eodnhoj7" HAS produced ANOTHER statement here that IS Truly meaningless.
The statement means contradiction.
If YOUR statement MEANS 'contradiction', then YOUR STATEMENT, literally, speaks for ITSELF.
Thus the universe cannot be discussed without resulting in absurdity.
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:13 pm
Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm

1. A thing can be its opposite at the same time if it is the only thing that exists.
The ONLY Thing that exists IS, and HAS TO BE, comprised of opposite, what 'you', human beings, call, 'things'. But, until you provide us with an example of how the One and ONLY Thing can be Its opposite, at the EXACT SAME time, what you CLAIM here I can NOT YET SEE.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm It being the only thing that exists necessitates it as one considering it is the 'only' thing that exists.
Did you REALLY NEED to SAY and EXPRESS this?

Are you under some sort of ILLUSION that there would be a human being who would say otherwise or disagree here?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm Dually it being the only thing that exists necessitates it as zero considering it has no comparison necessary for identity.
'This' is of your OWN making and doing "eodnhoj7", and which you HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE of what you BELIEVE is true here.

What you SAY and CLAIM here NO one else here ACCEPTS, NOR AGREES WITH. Understood?

See, what happens is when 'you', human beings, BELIEVE some 'thing' is true, then 'you' will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support that BELIEF. Even when that BELIEF could NEVER be backed up NOR supported, reasonably.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm This is a contradiction thus the universe is based upon contradiction.
'It' is ONLY A 'contradiction' BECAUSE of 'you', "eodhnoj7", and your STUPID ATTEMPT at CLAIMING that there BEING some 'thing' NECESSITATES that 'thing' as zero. Which, is just a LUDICROUS and SELF-CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT, which, OBVIOUSLY, could NEVER be true, let alone EVER being right and/or correct.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:20 pm 2. Another example of a thing existing and not existing is Heraclitus's example of a river, it is both the same and different.
LOL So, WHEN, EXACTLY, is 'that river' NOT existing?

Also, ALL of 'you', human beings, are THE SAME, and DIFFERENT. But this will NEVER mean that 'you', human beings, are NOT existing.

'you', "eodnhoj7" REALLY DO come up with some of the STRANGEST STATEMENTS in your ATTEMPT to 'justify' what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.
A river is both constant and changing; as changing the prior river ceases to exist when the new one occurs and yet it is always new thus it is simultaneously always passing away.
This here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of EXACTLY HOW 'you', human beings, ONLY get FOOLED BY, and are ONLY FOOLING, "your" OWN 'selves'.

If 'you'', "eodnhoj7", would like to DELVE INTO 'this river' FURTHER and DEEPER, and DISCUSS what the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY, then by ALL MEANS I am WILLING TO.
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:15 pm
Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:22 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm

1. If the universe is ever changing then its potential change exists and the universe is not entirely 1 due to time, it has one identity as one time and another identity at another.
But there is NO 'one time' and 'another time'. There is ONLY EVERY One continually moment of CHANGE. In other words the Universe IS CONTINUALLY evolving or CHANGING. Which means the Universe IS in A, or One, constant state of CHANGE.

WHY do you have such a NEED to 'TRY TO' 'justify' what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true?

WHY can you just NOT ACCEPT that what you BELIEVE is true, now, just might NOT be true AT ALL?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm These differences in time necessitates differences in identity.
But there is NO 'OTHER' identity to the One and ONLY Thing that exists. Unless, OF COURSE, 'you' WANT to CHANGE 'Its' identity, which, through thought, is what you CAN DO. But the Thing, Itself, WILL NEVER CHANGE just because 'you' THINK DIFFERENTLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm Thus one time is one universe and another time is another universe.
LOL Keep 'TRYING' "eodnhoj7". YOUR CONTINUAL ATTEMPTS PROVE absolutely True what I have been SAYING and CLAIMING here.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm If there are multiple universes then one cannot call it everything as there is an everything beyond another everything thus it is not everything.
This here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how ABSURD these people were and to what lengths and EXTREMES they WILL GO to 'TRY TO' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVED was true.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 2. Contrast is necessary for form as the contrast allows for distinction.
So, WHY is it 'you', "eodnhoj7", who SAYS and CLAIMS that there is ONLY One Thing that exists?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm Considering the universe cannot have contrast, otherwise there would be something which exists beyond everything thus negating everything, it cannot have form.
And the ONLY one 'you' are FOOLING here IS 'you', "eodnhoj7".
The fact that there is a continual moment of change necessitates a past and present thus differing identities.
SO, HOW MANY 'identities' do 'you' propose this One and ONLY Thing that exists HAS, EXACTLY?
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:17 pm
Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:25 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:27 pm

1. Measurement of the totality results in contradiction.
But ONLY to 'you' "eodnhoj7", as NO one "else" here SAYS NOR BELIEVES this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 2. If 'everything' can be compared to something else then it is not 'everything'.
And you are FREE to BELIEVE absolutely ANY 'thing' you like. But this will NEVER necessarily make what you BELIEVE is true to be ACTUALLY true. Is this UNDERSTOOD by you?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:25 pm 3. If the one does standout from the other form or thing then it is no longer one as the relationship between the one and the other, through contrast, necessitates a multitude of things.
you REFUTE your OWN NONSENSE and CLAIMS here, so there is NOTHING MORE that I need to add here.
Oneness is paradoxical.
What does the word 'paradoxical' even MEAN or REFER TO, to you?

If you EVER provide YOUR ANSWER here, then I will SHOW you 'PARADOXICAL' in its Truest sense.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:17 pm If only the universe exists then it is one.
LOL
LOL
LOL I do NOT think you could provide a MORE OBVIOUS statement.

If ONLY the elephant, or the ant, or the sun exists, THEN 'it' is one.

Or in other words, If only one 'thing' exists, then that 'thing' is one.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:17 pm Yet without contrast it is zero.
This is only just what 'you' SAY and CLAIM here "eodnhoj7". EVERY one "ELSE" here SAYS and CLAIMS 'one thing' IS one, and NOT zero.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:17 pm However if there is contrast then it is no longer one as there is something beyond the universe. Under these terms to discuss the universe results in non-sensical statements.
ONLY FROM 'you', "eodnhoj7", and those "OTHERS' who say non-sensical statements, AS WELL.
Age
Posts: 20306
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:17 am

Re: 1=0 III

Post by Age »

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:17 pm
Age wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:27 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:28 pm
The statement means contradiction.
If YOUR statement MEANS 'contradiction', then YOUR STATEMENT, literally, speaks for ITSELF.
Thus the universe cannot be discussed without resulting in absurdity.
LOL
LOL and
LOL

How Wrong 'you' ARE "eodnhoj7". How Wrong 'you' ARE.
Post Reply