P=P is a Contradiction

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Re: P=P is a Contradiction

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raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:10 pm You wrote, "So lets settle this: Do contradictions exist?"
NO THEY DO NOT!
Then what does the linguistic term "contradiction" represent?
if "contradictions" don't exist - then why are we even talking about them?
raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:10 pm You say they do.
You are lying. i said they don't exist.
raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:10 pm Anyway, once you calm down and scroll back we can talk.
I am calm. You are still projecting. I'll wait for you.

raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:10 pm Remember? You said that the law of contradiction ( that contradictions cannot exist ) isnt a law.
I did say that. It's not a law exactly like the law of non-uicorns isn't a law.

It's meaningless.
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Re: P=P is a Contradiction

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Ahh now I get your confusion. When I say that contradictions cannot exist I mean that only noncontradictory statements reflect reality. When you say that contradictions cannot exist you are saying that no two statements can ever contradict each other.
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raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:15 pm Ahh now I get your confusion. When I say that contradictions cannot exist I mean that only noncontradictory statements reflect reality. When you say that contradictions cannot exist you are saying that no two statements can ever contradict each other.
That's not my confusion, that's yours...

You don't even understand existence.
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You wrote, "if "contradictions" don't exist - then why are we even talking about them?"
I already answered that! I said that it is important to classify fallacies.
Anyway, when you calm down and actually keep track of the conversation I will be back.
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:17 pm
raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:15 pm Ahh now I get your confusion. When I say that contradictions cannot exist I mean that only noncontradictory statements reflect reality. When you say that contradictions cannot exist you are saying that no two statements can ever contradict each other.
That's not my confusion, that's yours...

You don't even understand existence.
So you are saying that I am wrong and that 2 contradictory statements can both reflect reality?
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raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:18 pm You wrote, "if "contradictions" don't exist - then why are we even talking about them?"
I already answered that! I said that it is important to classify fallacies.
That's a non-sequitur.

If contradictions don't exist, they are useless towards your goal.

raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:18 pm Anyway, when you calm down and actually keep track of the conversation I will be back.
When will you stop projecting your emotions onto me?
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BTW anyone can scroll back and see what your position was.
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raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:18 pm So you are saying that I am wrong and that 2 contradictory statements can both reflect reality?
Of course two statements can both reflect reality! I literally demonstrated this for you.

The distance between Buenos Aires and Shanghai is 19000km.
The distance between Buenos Aires and Shanghai is 12500km.

It depends on which way you take.
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raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:19 pm BTW anyone can scroll back and see what your position was.
I don't need to scroll back. My "position" is available to me - it's in my head, but not in yours.

Maybe you need to scroll back?
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Re: P=P is a Contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:19 pm
raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:18 pm You wrote, "if "contradictions" don't exist - then why are we even talking about them?"
I already answered that! I said that it is important to classify fallacies.
That's a non-sequitur.

If contradictions don't exist, they are useless towards your goal.

raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:18 pm Anyway, when you calm down and actually keep track of the conversation I will be back.
When will you stop projecting your emotions onto me?
How on earth is that a non-sequitur??? If i say, "vampires dont exist". I am helping some superstitious kid get rid of his fear. If I say that "A" and "NOT A" cannot both be true, that starts the whole of logic. So you are saying that identifying fallacies is silly? Anyway, you keep posting silly nonsense. I know I said I would leave until you calm down. But this time I mean it.
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raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:23 pm How on earth is that a non-sequitur??? If i say, "vampires dont exist". I am helping some superstitious kid get rid of his fear. If I say that "A" and "NOT A" cannot both be true, that starts the whole of logic.
Of course vampires exist! What do you think the kid is scared of, you idiot?

Actual vampires! NO! Children are scared of the IDEA of vampires.

IDEAS cause fear.

IDEAS are real.

The feeling of fear is real.

Unless you are going to start denying children their emotions with your "logic superpowers".
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Good grief! I never said that the idea "vampire" doesn't exist. I implied that the "vampire" does not reflect an actual reality. Bye, enjoy your anger!
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raw_thought wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:27 pm Good grief! I never said that the idea "vampire" doesn't exist. I implied that the "vampire" does not reflect an actual reality. Bye, enjoy your anger!
Then you should pay attention. The idea "vampire" reflects an actual reality. It reflects a state of mind.

I am saying that the idea "contradiction" doesn't exist. It doesn't even reflect a state of mind.

If you stopped projecting your anger at me, you might actually understand the meaning of my words.
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Ahh now I get your confusion. When I say that contradictions cannot exist I mean that only noncontradictory statements reflect reality. When you say that contradictions cannot exist you are saying that no two statements can ever contradict each other.
Of course 2 ideas can contradict each other. But reality cannot.
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Re: P=P is a Contradiction

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You wrote, "I am saying that the idea "contradiction" doesn't exist."
So 2 ideas cannot contradict each other. I disagree.
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