What is the basis for reason? And mathematics?
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Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:48 am
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:45 pm
I think it's more along the lines of:
this dog is this dog and no other dog
What does this even mean? Can you use this sentence in the context of an actual conversation?
Nobody says that.
henry quirk
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by henry quirk » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:55 am
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:48 am
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:45 pm
I think it's more along the lines of:
this dog is this dog and no other dog
What does this even mean? Can you use this sentence in the context of an actual conversation?
Nobody says that.
it means exactly what it means
hey, skep,
this dog is this dog and no other dog means exactly what it means
I just did
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:02 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:55 am
it means exactly what it means
hey, skep,
this dog is this dog and no other dog means exactly what it means
I just did
It's obvious to everybody that you are saying it.
It's not obvious to anybody WHY you are saying it.
It says nothing that needs saying, yet you felt the need to say it.
henry quirk
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by henry quirk » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:01 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:02 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:55 am
it means exactly what it means
hey, skep,
this dog is this dog and no other dog means exactly what it means
I just did
It's obvious to everybody that you are saying it.
It's not obvious to anybody WHY you are saying it.
It says nothing that needs saying,
yet you felt the need to say it.
yep
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:07 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:01 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:02 pm
It says nothing that needs saying,
yet you felt the need to say it.
yep
Do you want to elaborate what the need was, or can I respond with "Cucumber battery staple Australia, January 14th. 4th from the left" ?
Immanuel Can
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by Immanuel Can » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:39 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:44 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:37 pm
Then you started with the axiom," Before you begin, it is best to reject all axioms."
Exactly! You mis-interpret the rejection of axioms as an axiom.
That IS an axiom. Even grammatically, that's obvious. And since you never defended it or legitimized it, you're taking it gratuitously.
OR, say what justifies it...and that will be your axiom.
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by Skepdick » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:52 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:39 pm
That IS an axiom. Even grammatically, that's obvious.
It's not at all "grammatically obvious". Unless you axiomatically assume that grammar is semantics. Do you?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:39 pm
And since you never defended it or legitimized it, you're taking it gratuitously.
OR, say what justifies it...and that will be your axiom.
It doesn't require defending, legitimacy or justification - it's the default position from which axioms are considered.
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by henry quirk » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:09 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:07 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:01 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:02 pm
It says nothing that needs saying,
yet you felt the need to say it.
yep
Do you want to elaborate what the need was, or can I respond with "Cucumber battery staple Australia, January 14th. 4th from the left" ?
nope
yep
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by Skepdick » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:11 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:09 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:07 pm
Do you want to elaborate what the need was, or can I respond with "Cucumber battery staple Australia, January 14th. 4th from the left" ?
nope
yep
No.
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by henry quirk » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:12 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:11 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:09 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:07 pm
Do you want to elaborate what the need was, or can I respond with "Cucumber battery staple Australia, January 14th. 4th from the left" ?
nope
yep
No.
now you got it:
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by Skepdick » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:12 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:12 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:11 pm
No.
now you got it:
I don't actually. Only you got it.
That's why I said....
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:02 pm
It's obvious to everybody that you are saying it.
It's not obvious to anybody WHY you are saying it.
henry quirk
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by henry quirk » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:12 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:12 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:11 pm
No.
now you got it:
I don't. Only you got it.
That's why I asked...
nope, you don't got it:
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by Skepdick » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:15 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 pm
nope, you don't got it:
I KNOW!
THAT IS WHY I SAID....
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:02 pm
It's obvious to everybody that you are saying it.
It's not obvious to anybody WHY you are saying it.
That is why I asked you if you want to elaborate on the need.
Until you elaborate on the need, your sentence is meaningless.
henry quirk
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by henry quirk » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:31 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:15 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 pm
nope, you don't got it:
I KNOW!
THAT IS WHY I SAID....
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:02 pm
It's obvious to everybody that you are saying it.
It's not obvious to anybody WHY you are saying it.
That is why I asked you if you want to elaborate on the need.
Until you elaborate on the need, your sentence is meaningless.
okay
Immanuel Can
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by Immanuel Can » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:27 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:52 pm
It doesn't require defending, legitimacy or justification - it's the default position from which axioms are considered.
Well, that's what you imagine. And that's fine. You have a right to be wrong.