## Numbers Begin With Lines

What is the basis for reason? And mathematics?

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### Numbers Begin With Lines

Numbers are the lines not points, within the number line, unless we equivocate 0 to 1 (which I have no problem with), given the lines are the beginning of form through the projection of nothingness into form.

This projection, that of direction, is the beginning of quantifiable forms given that which exists exists through change with this change being the movement of a phenomenon which occurs through direction.

One phenomena changes to another, this is movement, and this movement is grounded in direction largely due to the progression from one form into another.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:23 am Numbers are the lines not points, within the number line, unless we equivocate 0 to 1 (which I have no problem with), given the lines are the beginning of form through the projection of nothingness into form.

This projection, that of direction, is the beginning of quantifiable forms given that which exists exists through change with this change being the movement of a phenomenon which occurs through direction.

One phenomena changes to another, this is movement, and this movement is grounded in direction largely due to the progression from one form into another.
Were you educated in a public school? You obviously have no idea what a number is.
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RCSaunders wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:23 am Numbers are the lines not points, within the number line, unless we equivocate 0 to 1 (which I have no problem with), given the lines are the beginning of form through the projection of nothingness into form.

This projection, that of direction, is the beginning of quantifiable forms given that which exists exists through change with this change being the movement of a phenomenon which occurs through direction.

One phenomena changes to another, this is movement, and this movement is grounded in direction largely due to the progression from one form into another.
Were you educated in a public school? You obviously have no idea what a number is.
Then you tell me what a number is, if it is nothing but the measurement of forms.

If you equivocate a number to a point you are equivocating 1 to 0 given that the point is intrinsically nothing, it is zero dimensional. As zero dimensional it cannot be quantified except as a point of change from one line into another line. It cannot be quantified because it is absent of form. To quantify it dually would requires the point to be pure form.

To quantify the change is to quantify the point where one phenomenon changes into another thus necessitating the forms themselves to be quantified and not specifically the point given in itself is nothing...a point cannot be observed alone except through another point which results from a form with this most basic form being the line or circle.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:02 am
RCSaunders wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:23 am Numbers are the lines not points, within the number line, unless we equivocate 0 to 1 (which I have no problem with), given the lines are the beginning of form through the projection of nothingness into form.

This projection, that of direction, is the beginning of quantifiable forms given that which exists exists through change with this change being the movement of a phenomenon which occurs through direction.

One phenomena changes to another, this is movement, and this movement is grounded in direction largely due to the progression from one form into another.
Were you educated in a public school? You obviously have no idea what a number is.
Then you tell me what a number is, if it is nothing but the measurement of forms.
A number is not a, "measurement," of anything. A number is a human invented method of counting and nothing more. All of basic arithmetic must be understood before the idea of measurement can even be thought.
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RCSaunders wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:02 am
RCSaunders wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:49 pm
Were you educated in a public school? You obviously have no idea what a number is.
Then you tell me what a number is, if it is nothing but the measurement of forms.
A number is not a, "measurement," of anything. A number is a human invented method of counting and nothing more. All of basic arithmetic must be understood before the idea of measurement can even be thought.
All basic arithmetic begins with the counting of objects which is premised in the number line. Numbers are inseperable from the phenomenon being counted.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:45 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:02 am

Then you tell me what a number is, if it is nothing but the measurement of forms.
A number is not a, "measurement," of anything. A number is a human invented method of counting and nothing more. All of basic arithmetic must be understood before the idea of measurement can even be thought.
All basic arithmetic begins with the counting of objects which is premised in the number line. Numbers are inseperable from the phenomenon being counted.
The so-called number line is pure fiction, like all the geometric figures and irrationals, invented by men as tools or methods of mathematical reason. The number line is not a material phenomenon and does not exist independently of human minds.
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RCSaunders wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:45 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:43 pm

A number is not a, "measurement," of anything. A number is a human invented method of counting and nothing more. All of basic arithmetic must be understood before the idea of measurement can even be thought.
All basic arithmetic begins with the counting of objects which is premised in the number line. Numbers are inseperable from the phenomenon being counted.
The so-called number line is pure fiction, like all the geometric figures and irrationals, invented by men as tools or methods of mathematical reason. The number line is not a material phenomenon and does not exist independently of human minds.
And yet our reasoning is subject to a linear progress, a linear form underneath the foundations of reason, through which we rationalize things. We cannot escape the line, or circularity for that matter, given our reason exists through it.

Dually we cannot have numbers without counting forms. Each of these forms results in a loop given the beginning of the traceable phenomenon ends where it begins. The purest form, that of the line (which is a loop considering it ends with the same 0d point it begins with), is the foundation of all counting hence numbers and therefore arithmetic.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:32 am And yet our reasoning is subject to a linear progress, ...
What is, "linear progress?"
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Eodnhoj7 wrote:
All basic arithmetic begins with the counting of objects which is premised in the number line. Numbers are inseperable from the phenomenon being counted.
How many times!
You don't need numbers or a number line ro count. You just need matching objects, what do you think an abacus is?
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RCSaunders wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:27 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:32 am And yet our reasoning is subject to a linear progress, ...
What is, "linear progress?"
One assertion progressing to another, assertion A progressing to assertion B.
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Arising_uk wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:52 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
All basic arithmetic begins with the counting of objects which is premised in the number line. Numbers are inseperable from the phenomenon being counted.
How many times!
You don't need numbers or a number line ro count. You just need matching objects, what do you think an abacus is?
Yes you need numbers in order to count. An abacus is the progression of one bead to another on a line, it is one phenomenon to another where a number equivocates to the phenomenon being counted. Counting begins with the equivocation of some form to that of the number. The simplest form is the line.
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### Re: Numbers Begin With Lines

Numbers are necessary for counting as each one pertains to a specific quantity
Therefore any abacus without any such classification would be entirely useless
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:56 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:27 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:32 am And yet our reasoning is subject to a linear progress, ...
What is, "linear progress?"
One assertion progressing to another, assertion A progressing to assertion B.
What has that got to do with counting?

Counting does not involve any assertions at all, much less a progress of assertions, one leading to another. There is no order required in counting as long as all the items are counted.