Conceptual Truth can be understood as math

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PeteOlcott
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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:17 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:21 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:08 pm
To the best of my current knowledge I have already refuted all of the halting problem proofs.
But you still haven't claimed your Million dollars for solving P=NP. Why?
Once you understand the halting problem proof refutation you will understand that it is unrelated to P=NP

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:19 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:57 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:50 pm


Then the last variable seals off the string and makes it an assumption that is not completely defined except as a point of inversion for one string to go to another...effectively it means nothing in and of itself.
No words mean anything apart from heir relation to other words.
Yes, and when the relation is incomplete the words mean nothing in themselves.
The ONLY meaning that conceptual words have ever had is their stipulated relation to other words.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by Skepdick » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:20 pm

PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:17 pm
Once you understand the halting problem proof refutation you will understand that it is unrelated to P=NP
Once you solve the halting problem, you would understand that it's the gateway to solving P=NP ;)

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:21 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:08 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:45 pm
No words mean anything apart from heir relation to other words.
You got this exactly backwards. Words mean absolutely nothing. Until they are grounded e.g interpreted by something or someone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_grounding_problem
Conceptual words expressed as finite strings acquire all of their meaning from their
stipulated relations to other words expressed as finite strings.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by Skepdick » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm

PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:21 pm
Conceptual words expressed as finite strings acquire all of their meaning from their
stipulated relations to other words expressed as finite strings.
No, they do not.

Words also acquire their meaning from the context in which they are being interpreted.

10 means one thing in a binary and another thing in decimal context.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:17 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:15 pm
I consider failing to provide full context an act of dishonesty. At least 90% of my
respondents on numerous forums have no interest what-so-ever in understanding
what I am saying and only focus on rebuttal.

50% of my respondents will focus on rebuttal even if they have to lie to do so.
Pete. I am demonstrating such high holistic understanding of what you are trying to do that for every 5-paragraph idea you explain I have 1 concise wiki link.

If you want your idea to work - you have to make trade-offs. There is no such thing as free lunch.
If you want totality (decidability) - you lose recursion.

Take it or leave it. This universe doesn't care that this upsets you.
That whole point utterly depends upon the provably false assumption that the halting problem has no effective solution.
I have proven otherwise and will publish this proof in a few months.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:28 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:21 pm
Conceptual words expressed as finite strings acquire all of their meaning from their
stipulated relations to other words expressed as finite strings.
No, they do not.

Words also acquire their meaning from the context in which they are being interpreted.

10 means one thing in a binary and another thing in decimal context.
Context is nothing at all more than stipulated relations between finite strings.

I really believe that it is a horribly stupid idea that linguists have ever treated
context as a separate and distinct thing that can be excluded from the semantics
of a discourse.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by Skepdick » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:35 pm

PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:28 pm
Context is nothing at all more than stipulated relations between finite strings.

I really believe that it is a horribly stupid idea that linguists have ever treated
context as a separate and distinct thing that can be excluded from the semantics
of a discourse.
It's not linguists. It's humans. English is implicit, not explicit.

I went to the bank today.

Is that the bank where people keep money, or the river bank?

It's an open problem in computational linguistics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word-sense_disambiguation
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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by Skepdick » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:36 pm

PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm
That whole point utterly depends upon the provably false assumption that the halting problem has no effective solution.
I have proven otherwise and will publish this proof in a few months.
The world can't wait to prove you wrong.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:27 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:35 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:28 pm
Context is nothing at all more than stipulated relations between finite strings.

I really believe that it is a horribly stupid idea that linguists have ever treated
context as a separate and distinct thing that can be excluded from the semantics
of a discourse.
It's not linguists. It's humans. English is implicit, not explicit.

I went to the bank today.

Is that the bank where people keep money, or the river bank?

It's an open problem in computational linguistics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word-sense_disambiguation
Sure. We initially assume both the river bank and the money bank.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:28 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:36 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm
That whole point utterly depends upon the provably false assumption that the halting problem has no effective solution.
I have proven otherwise and will publish this proof in a few months.
The world can't wait to prove you wrong.
The world does not really have intention.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by Skepdick » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:32 pm

PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:28 pm
Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:36 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm
That whole point utterly depends upon the provably false assumption that the halting problem has no effective solution.
I have proven otherwise and will publish this proof in a few months.
The world can't wait to prove you wrong.
The world does not really have intention.
Your context-disambiguator failed you right there.

Things in the world with intention can't wait to prove you wrong.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:04 pm

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:32 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:28 pm
Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:36 pm

The world can't wait to prove you wrong.
The world does not really have intention.
Your context-disambiguator failed you right there.

Things in the world with intention can't wait to prove you wrong.
There exists people in the world such that these people anticipate refuting my halting problem proof refutation.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:50 pm

PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:04 pm
Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:32 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:28 pm


The world does not really have intention.
Your context-disambiguator failed you right there.

Things in the world with intention can't wait to prove you wrong.
There exists people in the world such that these people anticipate refuting my halting problem proof refutation.
Still failed in context.

There are certain types of people that anticipate refuting your halting problem proof refutation.

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Re: Truth can be understood as math

Post by PeteOlcott » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:09 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:50 pm
PeteOlcott wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:04 pm
Skepdick wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:32 pm

Your context-disambiguator failed you right there.

Things in the world with intention can't wait to prove you wrong.
There exists people in the world such that these people anticipate refuting my halting problem proof refutation.
Still failed in context.

There are certain types of people that anticipate refuting your halting problem proof refutation.
You don't seem to understand what linguistic context is.

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