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Re: Dictionaries and Mathematics

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:47 am
by TryingMyBest
surreptitious57 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:54 am
TryingMyBest wrote:
We describe our world by using words . I see value in letting those words and definitions work for us so
that we may uncover Truth that we werent even looking for . Will it work ? Is it at least worth a shot ?
We use language to describe what we perceive to be reality but it is important not to confuse the map with the actual territory
And because the map is not the territory it is possible it may be wrong [ least in part ] and so this needs to be remembered too
Exactly! The territory is all I really want to know about, but finally having a (crude) map would definitely be useful.

Re: Dictionaries and Mathematics

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:37 pm
by Eodnhoj7
TryingMyBest wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:47 am
surreptitious57 wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:54 am
TryingMyBest wrote:
We describe our world by using words . I see value in letting those words and definitions work for us so
that we may uncover Truth that we werent even looking for . Will it work ? Is it at least worth a shot ?
We use language to describe what we perceive to be reality but it is important not to confuse the map with the actual territory
And because the map is not the territory it is possible it may be wrong [ least in part ] and so this needs to be remembered too
Exactly! The territory is all I really want to know about, but finally having a (crude) map would definitely be useful.
If all definitions are connected and cycle through each other the map would look like a circle, approximate of a circle, or sphere if mapped 3 dimensional.

If you want to really understand the nature of language, studying basic circles, lines and points is the best approach as the nature of linguistic definition mirrors this.

Re: Dictionaries and Mathematics

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:52 am
by TryingMyBest
Thank you for the comments. I am attempting to first analyze the thesaurus in one-dimension. That is, to assign each unique sense of a word a variable with a random number between 1 and 10,000. Then I am changing the variables so that they become the average of the variables of its synonyms. (This will cluster words of similar meaning.) After a few iterations, this should determine how many unique clusters of meaning there are in the language. Are all words connected to each other or are there thousands of unique clusters of meaning? I don't currently know and not knowing makes me curious to find out.

Re: Dictionaries and Mathematics

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:23 am
by Logik
TryingMyBest wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:52 am
Thank you for the comments. I am attempting to first analyze the thesaurus in one-dimension. That is, to assign each unique sense of a word a variable with a random number between 1 and 10,000. Then I am changing the variables so that they become the average of the variables of its synonyms. (This will cluster words of similar meaning.) After a few iterations, this should determine how many unique clusters of meaning there are in the language. Are all words connected to each other or are there thousands of unique clusters of meaning? I don't currently know and not knowing makes me curious to find out.
This sounds like Google's Page Rank algorithm. Instead of "importance" you are measuring "connectedness".