Time Proves The Law of Non-Contradiction as False

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Re: Time Proves The Law of Non-Contradiction as False

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:42 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:40 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:10 am
You referenced but did not read fully, i.e.

"Unfortunately, so little remains of Heraclitus' aphorisms that not much about his philosophy can be said with certainty."

Due to the above limitations your reference cannot be credible.

What is most critical within the LNC is the criteria 'same sense'.
If one can counter the LNC within the same time [re formal logic], you are not likely to counter it within the same sense.

I believe what most people misunderstand is the LNC is one of the Three Laws of Logic which is confined to Traditional and Formal logic and not to other forms of logic, e.g. fuzzy, intuitional logic and others.

Therefore the LNC is not an absolute Law of all Logic.

As Kant stated, formal logic has its advantage merely based on its limitations.
Therefore the LNC is only valid within its defined framework.

Nevertheless the OP is countering the LNC within its framework but unsuccessfully due to his ignorance of the criteria of 'same sense', i.e. trying to be a smart-alec but exposed as a smart-fool.

So one should not fool around with the LNC within its stipulated framework, i.e. applicable to traditional and formal logic only, else it will make one a fool.
1. The LNC is absolute within its defined context of usage thus necessitating absolutes therefore not all is relative.

2. An instance is a duration of time in which one phenomenon changes into another. Given it is a duration of time both P and -P exist simultaneously within said length of time given the instant of change as a length is both phenomenon occurring within the same time period. X changing into Y within a second observes both X and Y occur within a second. This second can be replace with millisecond, etc. as the second is the instant of change. All instants are durations at the meta scale.

3. The potentiality of A to change to B or C necessitates both B and C existing simultaneously within the context of "potentiality" at the same time.
I have responded to 1 & 3 in the other threads.

2. You are trying to rhetorical and deceptive.
In the case of "same time" re the LNC mean the same instance to the dot not within a duration of time or length of time, which can be nano-seconds, second, minutes or hours, etc.

In a duration or length of time, there is a continuous flow from t1 to t2, t3 and so on with each 't' in measured in the smallest nano-seconds or assumed to the in absolute same time.

When the potentiality of a croc egg at t1 is determined in terms of its specific sex at t2, then we are not taking about the 'same time' for the purpose of the LNC.
The practical use of the LNC in this case will enable eggs of the different sex to be separated from one another.

As I had stated, don't try to be a smart-alec with the application of the LNC within traditional, formal, conventional logic.
2. A dot is composed of further dots as a line is reducible to a dot from a relatively different position. Given, from your stance, all is relative then the dot is not a dot under a different context. From a further context the dot exists as a mini-line.

All changes occur through a length of time where x changes into y, looking at the whole of this length of time both x and y occur simultaneously within this length. An "instant" may be 1 second or 1 nano second, yet it is still a length. Given change occurs at a "dot" a "dot" contains both elements of change, that which existed prior and that which existed later. Change exists as a dualism within a given dot.
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Re: Time Proves The Law of Non-Contradiction as False

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:42 am I have responded to 1 & 3 in the other threads.

2. You are trying to rhetorical and deceptive.
In the case of "same time" re the LNC mean the same instance to the dot not within a duration of time or length of time, which can be nano-seconds, second, minutes or hours, etc.

In a duration or length of time, there is a continuous flow from t1 to t2, t3 and so on with each 't' in measured in the smallest nano-seconds or assumed to the in absolute same time.

When the potentiality of a croc egg at t1 is determined in terms of its specific sex at t2, then we are not taking about the 'same time' for the purpose of the LNC.
The practical use of the LNC in this case will enable eggs of the different sex to be separated from one another.

As I had stated, don't try to be a smart-alec with the application of the LNC within traditional, formal, conventional logic.
2. A dot is composed of further dots as a line is reducible to a dot from a relatively different position. Given, from your stance, all is relative then the dot is not a dot under a different context. From a further context the dot exists as a mini-line.

All changes occur through a length of time where x changes into y, looking at the whole of this length of time both x and y occur simultaneously within this length. An "instant" may be 1 second or 1 nano second, yet it is still a length. Given change occurs at a "dot" a "dot" contains both elements of change, that which existed prior and that which existed later. Change exists as a dualism within a given dot.
Not sure what is your point in relation to the OP.
Note,
In logic, the law of non-contradiction (LNC) (also known as the law of contradiction, principle of non-contradiction (PNC), or the principle of contradiction) states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e. g. the two propositions "p is the case" and "p is not the case" are mutually exclusive.
wiki
Same time is same duration of time as specific in the context.
Thus a man [p] is not a woman [-p] must be considered in the same time duration whether it is one year, one month, one hour, one minute or 1 nano-second.

In the general context of basic physical features,
Caster Semenya is a woman [P] and not male [-p].
So the LNC applies in this case, i.e. same time and same context.
  • Caster Semenya is a famous South Africa 800 meters runner, whilst a female in general, could not compete as a woman in the 2020 Olympics due to being born with a high level of male hormones in her body. So within the context of the Olympic games, Semenya is not-p [not a woman] even though physically she has all the female reproductive organs and breasts.
So one can claim Caster Semenya is both at the same time a woman and a man.
But note, that is not taking into consideration the context of amount of male hormones in the body,
Caster Semenya is a woman [P] and a male [-p] at the same time but not in the same context [physical state vs hormonal state]. So the LNC does not apply in this case, i.e. same time and different context.

Get it?

As I had stated, don't try to be a smart-alec with the application of the LNC within traditional, formal, conventional logic, otherwise it will exposed you as a smart-fool instead.
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Re: Time Proves The Law of Non-Contradiction as False

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:27 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:42 am I have responded to 1 & 3 in the other threads.

2. You are trying to rhetorical and deceptive.
In the case of "same time" re the LNC mean the same instance to the dot not within a duration of time or length of time, which can be nano-seconds, second, minutes or hours, etc.

In a duration or length of time, there is a continuous flow from t1 to t2, t3 and so on with each 't' in measured in the smallest nano-seconds or assumed to the in absolute same time.

When the potentiality of a croc egg at t1 is determined in terms of its specific sex at t2, then we are not taking about the 'same time' for the purpose of the LNC.
The practical use of the LNC in this case will enable eggs of the different sex to be separated from one another.

As I had stated, don't try to be a smart-alec with the application of the LNC within traditional, formal, conventional logic.
2. A dot is composed of further dots as a line is reducible to a dot from a relatively different position. Given, from your stance, all is relative then the dot is not a dot under a different context. From a further context the dot exists as a mini-line.

All changes occur through a length of time where x changes into y, looking at the whole of this length of time both x and y occur simultaneously within this length. An "instant" may be 1 second or 1 nano second, yet it is still a length. Given change occurs at a "dot" a "dot" contains both elements of change, that which existed prior and that which existed later. Change exists as a dualism within a given dot.
Not sure what is your point in relation to the OP.
Note,
In logic, the law of non-contradiction (LNC) (also known as the law of contradiction, principle of non-contradiction (PNC), or the principle of contradiction) states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e. g. the two propositions "p is the case" and "p is not the case" are mutually exclusive.
wiki
Same time is same duration of time as specific in the context.
Thus a man [p] is not a woman [-p] must be considered in the same time duration whether it is one year, one month, one hour, one minute or 1 nano-second.

In the general context of basic physical features,
Caster Semenya is a woman [P] and not male [-p].
So the LNC applies in this case, i.e. same time and same context.
  • Caster Semenya is a famous South Africa 800 meters runner, whilst a female in general, could not compete as a woman in the 2020 Olympics due to being born with a high level of male hormones in her body. So within the context of the Olympic games, Semenya is not-p [not a woman] even though physically she has all the female reproductive organs and breasts.
So one can claim Caster Semenya is both at the same time a woman and a man.
But note, that is not taking into consideration the context of amount of male hormones in the body,
Caster Semenya is a woman [P] and a male [-p] at the same time but not in the same context [physical state vs hormonal state]. So the LNC does not apply in this case, i.e. same time and different context.

Get it?

As I had stated, don't try to be a smart-alec with the application of the LNC within traditional, formal, conventional logic, otherwise it will exposed you as a smart-fool instead.
1. A dot is an instance of change where A turns to B. As an instant of change it contains both A and B. Both A and B occur in that instant. Red changing to yellow results in the instant of change, ie red changing to yellow, as both red and yellow.

2. The LNC does not exist outside of traditional, formal, conventional logic and I am not arguing for traditional, formal, conventional logic. Outside of such logic the LNC is false given the LNC is relative (according to you).

4. The statement ((P=P)=(-P=-P)) observes P=P and -P=-P equate through the principle of identity as both P and -P are subject to the principle of identity. However ((P=P)=(-P=-P)) breaks down to P=-P yet ((P=P)=(-P=-P)) is necessary for P=-P. Both P and -P equate through a singular context.

3. A hormonal state is a physical state as the hormonal state is physical given hormones are a physical substance. Semenya is both a man and a woman physically.
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