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The Unlovable Parts of a Loving Society

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Matei Tanasă asks if we should love the unlovable.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/148/The_Unlovable_Parts_of_a_Loving_Society
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Philosophy Now wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:36 pm Matei Tanasă asks if we should love the unlovable.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/148/Th ... ng_Society
When everything is good, there are no problems.

However, if folks have no problems, they will create problems. Why? Because all motion in the universe is movement towards balance, and bad naturally rushes in to correct the imbalance caused by too much good.

An example of this, which according to polls is now obvious to just about everyone, is the most recent US president. Too much goodness was going on with the old one, so bad rushed in to balance the universe.
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Walker wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:50 pm
Philosophy Now wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:36 pm Matei Tanasă asks if we should love the unlovable.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/148/Th ... ng_Society
When everything is good, there are no problems.

However, if folks have no problems, they will create problems. Why? Because all motion in the universe is movement towards balance, and bad naturally rushes in to correct the imbalance caused by too much good.

An example of this, which according to polls is now obvious to just about everyone, is the most recent US president. Too much goodness was going on with the old one, so bad rushed in to balance the universe.
wtf? Get over yer presidents - U lot still think U run the planet and what now - the universe indeed!
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Philosophy Now wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:36 pm Matei Tanasă asks if we should love the unlovable.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/148/Th ... ng_Society
Haven't read the article yet, but to truly understand "empathy" when dealing with others - understanding their own background should assist in loving someone 'unlovable'.

Take Walker above, he is an idiot...but I don't know his background enuff to truly understand and empathise with his idiocy..indeed, to even get near the point of attempting to love the plonker.
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Duh. All of Walker's comments above are directed to the content of the link, and thus interpreting them must be in the light of the link.

Turn on the link and light up that dim bulb.

Do try and make the content of your noggin relevant to the link, rather than trying to make it all about you by ignoring the link, which is an article written by one being addressed by goodness with a respectful, good posting.

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After bad naturally makes its appearance to balance all the goodness that fills the land, then goodness naturally returns to balance the bad, and in turn movement is once again initiated towards the goodness that was getting to be a bit too much for bad to tolerate.

It’s like a pendulum swinging back and forth, from good to bad, and back again.

The effect of a pendulum that stops swinging, is stillness. Balance. However, a disturbance by badness in the fabric of the space/time continuum will get things moving again, and because of the inherent human characteristic of orderliness required to make things right, i.e. balanced, goodness will make that pendulum really swing, daddy-o.

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attofishpi wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:14 ambut I don't know his background enuff ...
Truth and beauty, beauty and truth, that's all ye need know of the old ode.
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:14 am Haven't read the article yet, but to truly understand "empathy" when dealing with others ...
There is hardly any idea that is more wrong or harmful than the notion, of empathy.
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RCSaunders wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:43 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:14 am Haven't read the article yet, but to truly understand "empathy" when dealing with others ...
There is hardly any idea that is more wrong or harmful than the notion, of empathy.
Says you as part of your ideology.
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:17 am
RCSaunders wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:43 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:14 am Haven't read the article yet, but to truly understand "empathy" when dealing with others ...
There is hardly any idea that is more wrong or harmful than the notion, of empathy.
Says you as part of your ideology.
What ideology would that be?

Here's the thing. Your feelings are worth absolutely nothing. Nobody's empathy, sympathy, or compassionm ever fed anyone, clothed anyone, cured anyone's disease, or provided anything to actually make another's life better. Millions of sappy people who are totally worthless and have never produced a thing of value in their life pat themselves on the back believing they hold the moral high ground because they have, "the right feelings." Bah!
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RCSaunders wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:30 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:17 am
RCSaunders wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:43 pm There is hardly any idea that is more wrong or harmful than the notion, of empathy.
Says you as part of your ideology.
What ideology would that be?

Here's the thing. Your feelings are worth absolutely nothing. Nobody's empathy, sympathy, or compassionm ever fed anyone, clothed anyone, cured anyone's disease, or provided anything to actually make another's life better. Millions of sappy people who are totally worthless and have never produced a thing of value in their life pat themselves on the back believing they hold the moral high ground because they have, "the right feelings." Bah!
How does empathy cause more harm than most ideas?
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:25 am
RCSaunders wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:30 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:17 am

Says you as part of your ideology.
What ideology would that be?

Here's the thing. Your feelings are worth absolutely nothing. Nobody's empathy, sympathy, or compassionm ever fed anyone, clothed anyone, cured anyone's disease, or provided anything to actually make another's life better. Millions of sappy people who are totally worthless and have never produced a thing of value in their life pat themselves on the back believing they hold the moral high ground because they have, "the right feelings." Bah!
How does empathy cause more harm than most ideas?
From the article:
No evil has ever been driven by correct reason. Every evil ever committed has been driven by emotion: one's feelings, one's passions, or one's desires. Frequently the process of reason is invoked to somehow justify one's emotionally driven behavior. The name for that misuse of reason is "rationalism."

Rationalism (rationalization) is actually irrationalism. Sentimentalism and emotionalism are irrational.

The problem with the irrational is that it evades reality:

—It ignores or evades consequences, especially long-term consequences. Choices and decisions based on or influenced by feelings are not based on careful consideration, but on impulse, or whim, with no regard to any broader ramifications.

—It almost always evades the actual reasons for or true nature of that which one's feelings are about. Whether it's about poverty, hunger, homelessness, or any other so-called, "unfortunate" human condition, why anyone is poor, hungry, or homeless is never asked. In reality, almost every misfortune human beings suffer is the consequence of their own choices and actions (or more likely, lack of action).

—It is almost always misplaced. One's feelings ought to reflect a mind and psychology that properly evaluates what is truly good and worthwhile and what is no good and worthless. Most peoples' sentiments are wasted on the ignorant, the indecent, the non-productive and those who fail to become and achieve anything of value while ignoring the virtues of the decent, productive, and successful, because the virtuous do not need the sympathies of the sentimental.

—It fails to recognize the source of all true benevolence. The truly benevolent are always ruthlessly unsentimental and realistic who actually accomplish something of value.

It doesn't matter what or how you feel or anyone else feels, the only thing that matters is reality. All the harm in this world comes from those who surrender their capacity to think and reason to their irrational feelings, passions, and desires.
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