Those Who Justify Genocide

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Sculptor.
When Hobbes was challenged on his view that the State of nature (nasty, brutish etc) once prevailed on earth he responded that it was maybe not the case except in the new World. (See chapter 13 of Leviathan). he had the next best thing to first-hand knowledge through his substantial investments in companies operating in Virginia. Adam Smith mentions new World atrocities in his Theory of Moral Sentiments. (Check the index.) Perhaps you are a victim of the victimhood stories you absorbed at school and in the MSM since?

Here's just one example of how enemies were executed. Pegged out, spread-eagled on the ground, very small fires (just a few twigs) were lit under each hand and foot. The aim was to progressively burn the limbs away slowly over several days and to keep the victims cries going day and night. Children were given the job of keeping the fires lit while the adults carried on their daily tasks. The victim would be fed and watered to prolong the agony. It's also possible that herbal preparations were used - with similar effects to the drugs KGB used to keep people conscious while they were fed feet first and slowly into a furnace.

I will not reply to your comments on Israel which are refuted by the universal hostility in the Western media except to say there are only two possible reasons for attacks on the only Jewish state surrounded by 57 Islamic hellholes: ignorance, culpable, or Jew-hatred. You will know which applies in your case and reason and evidence are blunt arrows I suspect. nevertheless I recommend two books and a movie. Martin Gilbert's In Ismael's House; Uprooted, by Lyn Julius; and the film In Between directed by Maysaloun Hamoud.

Calling every muslim country a 'hellhole' is just as moronic as calling Israel an apartheid state that is committing genocide. If there are islamic 'hellholes' then they have been made that way through Western meddling.

[dorothea]

Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred. Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates - including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there. That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? how about Syria where that most useless pres Obama threatened to intervene over chem weapons and then cried off? Doing well without our meddling is it. Pakistan - where we've left them to it and is now not safe for Xians or women?

Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

[Age]

Hi Dorothea

Well being part Russian and Armenian I've lost family history to both the Armenian genocide and the Russian revolution. My question to you is why the fallen human condition makes genocide and political killings acceptable?

Racism, like you are showing here, or separatism is what makes genocide and political killings acceptable.

Part of being human is having respect for life.

Is there any thing that does not have respect for life?

Yet we don't.

Then how do you know that part of being human is having respect for life if you do not have respect for life?

Are 'you' not human, or is the 'we' above in reference to something else other than human beings?

Instead of saying human beings do not have respect for life, would it be more accurate to say something like;
At times some human beings do not have respect for life?

Genocide is a cyclical occurence. why?

But genocide is happening right now, just in different forms. This all depends on how people 'try to' "justify" their wrong behaviors.

Take out the BS and what does it say about what we are?

What 'we' are, is just whatever 'you' say 'we are', and which is accepted and agreed with.

What the 'we' refers to can be many different things. So to, therefore, what 'we are' can be also many different things.

To me, 'human beings' are just human beings, even at those times they are not respecting life. This applies to you to when you are not respecting life.

[Sculptor]

Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred. Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates - including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there. That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

The entire Middle East is the mess it is because after the fall of Ottoman, the British and the French carved it up without regard to existing ethnic and religious differences; they also made the stupid mistake of making provision for a permanent white settlement to be populated with white settlers from all over Europe and American who brought their own brand of racism and political and religious bigotry. Using justification based on the holocaust they seem to have decided that concentration camps and ethnic cleansing were great policies to ensure their occupation of Palestine. Powerful Jews in American ensured that thousands of tanks and planes could be given to the (so-called) Israel to further oppress the indigenous Arabian culture which has existed there since time immemorial.
Places like Iraq and Kuwait had never existed before this time. The roots of the strife, bloodshed and terrorism can be traced specifically to the Sykes/Pichot agreement and the Balfour Declaration. Both arrogant acts of imperialism.

[Age]

Quoting bigots ignorant of history and bereft of decency does not support your absurd argument. Jews have lived in North Africa and the Levant for 3000 years and continued to do so when Christianity arrived. The problems started when the sexually depraved and blasphemous heresy of Islam began it's campaign of hatred and genocide.

So, to you, within a religion being sexually depraved is a part of that religion, correct?

Israel is a plural, tolerant society under the rule of law.

Within, which is a law that permits the hatred and killing of "others".

Palestinians are even in the legislature. No Islamic state can say the same. Indeed, nowhere on earth is there anywhere inimical to Muslim happiness and success as an islamic government. The Palestinians have shown themselves unworthy of any sympathy and they get precious little from their neighbours.

So, to you, ALL those brand new born human babies, into what you have divided and separated into as being "palestinians" have shown, to you, that they are unworthy of any sympathy, and getting precise little sympathy from anyone is totally "justified", correct?

When given the vote they elected murderous corrupt terrorists. When Iraq invaded peaceful Kuwait, Palestinian servants employed there join in the rapes and murders of girls women and boys.

Well according to your so called "logic" as long as those girls, women, and boys are "palestinian", then they are unworthy anyway and according to you also they do not deserve any sympathy.

Their behaviour was even viler than the invaders - so much so that General Schwarzkopf would not allow Kuwaiti soldiers to enter Kuwait City unescorted. Saud troops took their place at the head of the victory march to avoid a bloodbath of Palestinian collaborators. Arabs owe trillions in compensation for Jews' lost lives, property and lands that they have been driven from over the past centuries. They won't get it of course because Islam is beyond reform. Like Mormonism it is a religion founded on lies and wholly without any ethical code whatsoever.

But "money" will "compensate", and fix everything right?

Some could say, Sounds like a very "jewish" resolution.

Are you even aware of just how racist and one-sided looking you come across as?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred. Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates - including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there. That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

The entire Middle East is the mess it is because after the fall of Ottoman, the British and the French carved it up without regard to existing ethnic and religious differences; they also made the stupid mistake of making provision for a permanent white settlement to be populated with white settlers from all over Europe and American who brought their own brand of racism and political and religious bigotry. Using justification based on the holocaust they seem to have decided that concentration camps and ethnic cleansing were great policies to ensure their occupation of Palestine. Powerful Jews in American ensured that thousands of tanks and planes could be given to the (so-called) Israel to further oppress the indigenous Arabian culture which has existed there since time immemorial.
Places like Iraq and Kuwait had never existed before this time. The roots of the strife, bloodshed and terrorism can be traced specifically to the Sykes/Pichot agreement and the Balfour Declaration. Both arrogant acts of imperialism.

See what I mean? Another religious nut-job reading straight from the Bible of the Politically Correct.

[Age]

Sculptor.
When Hobbes was challenged on his view that the State of nature (nasty, brutish etc) once prevailed on earth he responded that it was maybe not the case except in the new World. (See chapter 13 of Leviathan). he had the next best thing to first-hand knowledge through his substantial investments in companies operating in Virginia. Adam Smith mentions new World atrocities in his Theory of Moral Sentiments. (Check the index.) Perhaps you are a victim of the victimhood stories you absorbed at school and in the MSM since?

Here's just one example of how enemies were executed. Pegged out, spread-eagled on the ground, very small fires (just a few twigs) were lit under each hand and foot. The aim was to progressively burn the limbs away slowly over several days and to keep the victims cries going day and night. Children were given the job of keeping the fires lit while the adults carried on their daily tasks. The victim would be fed and watered to prolong the agony. It's also possible that herbal preparations were used - with similar effects to the drugs KGB used to keep people conscious while they were fed feet first and slowly into a furnace.

I will not reply to your comments on Israel which are refuted by the universal hostility in the Western media except to say there are only two possible reasons for attacks on the only Jewish state surrounded by 57 Islamic hellholes: ignorance, culpable, or Jew-hatred. You will know which applies in your case and reason and evidence are blunt arrows I suspect. nevertheless I recommend two books and a movie. Martin Gilbert's In Ismael's House; Uprooted, by Lyn Julius; and the film In Between directed by Maysaloun Hamoud.

If feeding and watering those who are suffering just enough to keep prolonging the agony, wrong?

If yes, then why do you do the very same thing, to some?

Or is this all about looking at "others", and NEVER at our own selves?

[Age]

Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred.

Is the "west's" and the "christian's" current alleged supremacy over "muslims" and their hatred of "muslims" also a pretty old ideology, which they maintain and foster?

Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates

And, "american's" were not financing attacks on iraq and "muslim" houses and human beings?

- including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there.

Have "english" peoples committed atrocities just about all over the world?

That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

It looks like you follow one of the oldest and the most outdated ideologies of all. That is; You actually believe that there are some that are "morally superior" to others, and coincidentally you are one of those alleged "morally superior" ones, who actually 'tries to' "justify" their racist supremacy and hatred of so called "others".

If only you knew just how much 'you' are one of those, which you HATE.

[dorothea]

To the relativist implications of your questions, the answer is no, no, no. That all peoples have blots on their past is not a reason to claim that no culture/religion/ethical code is superior to another.

Anyhow, the article argues that such matters are peripheral does it not? What people do in a given situation comes down to character, alleged to be formed in infancy and unchanging thereafter. What would your opinion be of that I wonder.

[Age]

To the relativist implications of your questions, the answer is no, no, no. That all peoples have blots on their past is not a reason to claim that no culture/religion/ethical code is superior to another.

Anyhow, the article argues that such matters are peripheral does it not?

I do not know. I never read it.

I am asking you clarifying questions based on what you write alone.

What people do in a given situation comes down to character, alleged to be formed in infancy and unchanging thereafter.

LOL. Who alleges this, and where is this supposedly alleged?

And, up to what date in "infancy" is character supposedly formed, and then unchanging thereafter?

What would your opinion be of that I wonder.

What my opinion actually is could be somewhat obtained from my two previous clarifying questions.

But what my actually opinion is; Where is the actual evidence for this allegation?

I also wonder; Are you 'trying to' use this allegation as some form of "justification" for your racist remarks and hatred of "others", which you believe is unchangeable?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred. Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates - including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there. That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? how about Syria where that most useless pres Obama threatened to intervene over chem weapons and then cried off? Doing well without our meddling is it. Pakistan - where we've left them to it and is now not safe for Xians or women?

Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

You really aren't worth arguing with. How you can justify the mess that the depraved thug Bush2 created in the ME is beyond comprehension. Saddam understood HIS OWN country and people. You are a fucking moron. The West created ISIS. Before the Iraq invasion and its snowball effect through the rest of the ME it was a modern, sophisticated country, and so was Syria. Women wore normal, western clothes, drove cars, went to university. It's THE WEST that has sent the ME back to the middle ages!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred. Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates - including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there. That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

The entire Middle East is the mess it is because after the fall of Ottoman, the British and the French carved it up without regard to existing ethnic and religious differences; they also made the stupid mistake of making provision for a permanent white settlement to be populated with white settlers from all over Europe and American who brought their own brand of racism and political and religious bigotry. Using justification based on the holocaust they seem to have decided that concentration camps and ethnic cleansing were great policies to ensure their occupation of Palestine. Powerful Jews in American ensured that thousands of tanks and planes could be given to the (so-called) Israel to further oppress the indigenous Arabian culture which has existed there since time immemorial.
Places like Iraq and Kuwait had never existed before this time. The roots of the strife, bloodshed and terrorism can be traced specifically to the Sykes/Pichot agreement and the Balfour Declaration. Both arrogant acts of imperialism.

You seem to conveniently forget that Jews purchased land legally from non Palestinian arab landowners. Why do you think this is bad anyway? According to you we are all human. There are no races. We are all the same. How can there be such a thing as genocide if we are all the same? Therefore you are just being a racist hypocrite when you say it's terrible that Jews emigrated in large numbers to the region. If anyone else complains about large numbers of immigrants flooding into their country or foreigners buying up huge swathes of land then the PCturd thought police comes down on them like a ton of bricks. 'Waah, what a raaacist, wah wah blah blah rant hypocritical rant rave...'
What difference does it make whether Jews or Muslims run Israel? I mean, they are all the same aren't they?

Bloody PCturds. They are so befuddled with religious zeal that they don't even care when their despicable hypocrisy is on full display. Now you can toddle off and make an offering to your Noam shrine.

[dorothea]

To Age.
No need for accusations of racism. Plain silly.
The question was a simple one. Many philosophers have claimed that character is is the bedrock of individuality and more or less fixed. It was the view of Aristotle and, arguably, Schopenhauer. The consequences of that would, among other things, be that moral education is futile or unlikely to be fully effective. It would be no use trying to reform criminals for instance (as we find in fact). And we could not rely on, say priests, to stand against evil (they joined in the genocide in Rwanda). It's a pessimistic view of humanity and implies we have little in the way of free will. If you don't want to discuss it and haven';t read the article that argues for it, fine. (That suggests that the case is proved in your case I'm afraid.)

To Vegetarian.
Your abuse tells a lot about you but nothing about me.
You imply you live in a ME country. I worked with Arab people who had been brutalised by Palestinians and Iraqis. They did not blame the west. They blamed their brother Muslim traitors. Some blamed themselves for having trusted Palestinians and given them work. The problems in the ME are entirely self-inflicted. Drop the blind adherence to a failed ideology founded by an old man with a taste for little girls, one that in England is still practised by some of his followers. Thomas Aquinas put Islam's success down to its appeal to concupiscent men. tell me he was wrong and let's have the evidence.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

To Age.
No need for accusations of racism. Plain silly.
The question was a simple one. Many philosophers have claimed that character is is the bedrock of individuality and more or less fixed. It was the view of Aristotle and, arguably, Schopenhauer. The consequences of that would, among other things, be that moral education is futile or unlikely to be fully effective. It would be no use trying to reform criminals for instance (as we find in fact). And we could not rely on, say priests, to stand against evil (they joined in the genocide in Rwanda). It's a pessimistic view of humanity and implies we have little in the way of free will. If you don't want to discuss it and haven';t read the article that argues for it, fine. (That suggests that the case is proved in your case I'm afraid.)

To Vegetarian.
Your abuse tells a lot about you but nothing about me.
You imply you live in a ME country. I worked with Arab people who had been brutalised by Palestinians and Iraqis. They did not blame the west. They blamed their brother Muslim traitors. Some blamed themselves for having trusted Palestinians and given them work. The problems in the ME are entirely self-inflicted. Drop the blind adherence to a failed ideology founded by an old man with a taste for little girls, one that in England is still practised by some of his followers. Thomas Aquinas put Islam's success down to its appeal to concupiscent men. tell me he was wrong and let's have the evidence.

Claiming to 'know people' doesn't qualify as an argument. Only a one-eyed imbecile could fail to see the mess that the US and it's bitch GB and various other bitches have done to the ME and its people. You have no soul.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

''Jewish rabbis purchasing land from arab landownder 1920s''