A Stoic Response To The Climate Crisis

[Nick_A]

education requires them to wrestle with a wide range of ideas, which sometimes means engaging with controversial messages, as with Ms. Mac Donald. And sometimes, it means making use of their own free speech to combat objectionable ideas.

Why should students have all the fun? Next time someone waxes eloquent about the virtues of socialism, in-person or on-line, I'll just chant...

Your socialism is not welcome, your communism is not welcome, your collectivism is not welcome, you are not welcome.

You are describing indoctrination and the modern method of arguing for self justification. Plato refers to arousing in the young student the natural tendency towards acquiring "character." But who knows what it is? The one thing we do know is that "Your beliefs are not welcome, your religion is not welcome, your collectivism is not welcome, you are not welcome. So without acknowledging character which we don't understand, the only thing left is the war between indoctrinated opinions which can only be ultimately resolved in the words made famous by Charles M. Wadanobie when after indulging in tall one he arose and exclaimed: "Just shoot da bastard and be done wth it."

[Walker]

education requires them to wrestle with a wide range of ideas, which sometimes means engaging with controversial messages, as with Ms. Mac Donald. And sometimes, it means making use of their own free speech to combat objectionable ideas.

Why should students have all the fun? Next time someone waxes eloquent about the virtues of socialism, in-person or on-line, I'll just chant...

Your socialism is not welcome, your communism is not welcome, your collectivism is not welcome, you are not welcome.

The university only allows that behavior when the guest-intellectual is a conservative or someone outside the sphere of progressive thought.

But if you try that chanting stuff with a progressive guest speaker, or a commie, or a socialist, or with someone sympathetic to such thinking, the chanting could easily change to Don’t Tase Me Bro!

[henry quirk]

Just shoot da bastard and be done wth it.

I would if I could.

Today, such a thing will land me in the hot seat.

Tomorrow: ?

[henry quirk]

education requires them to wrestle with a wide range of ideas, which sometimes means engaging with controversial messages, as with Ms. Mac Donald. And sometimes, it means making use of their own free speech to combat objectionable ideas.

Why should students have all the fun? Next time someone waxes eloquent about the virtues of socialism, in-person or on-line, I'll just chant...

Your socialism is not welcome, your communism is not welcome, your collectivism is not welcome, you are not welcome.

The university only allows that behavior when the guest-intellectual is a conservative or someone outside the sphere of progressive thought.

But if you try that chanting stuff with a progressive guest speaker, or a commie, or a socialist, or with someone sympathetic to such thinking, the chanting could easily change to Don’t Tase Me Bro!

True.

[Belinda]

Henry Quirk commented satirically on how somebody was excluded from expressing opinions that students disapproved of.

Your socialism is not welcome, your communism is not welcome, your collectivism is not welcome, you are not welcome.

Homophobia,sexism, and racism are not results of mental reflection and knowledge but arise from ignorance and arrogance of ignorance. University students are taught to think for themselves with the best judgement possible and therefore when they were presented with half baked ideas they rebelled against this waste of their time, at the very least.

"At the very least" I said. However we know some ideas do infect others and cause mayhem. Our enemy is ignorance with subsequent reaction to unthinking fear of people who seem different.

Henry, we cannot shoot the people who we disagree with because our democracy is a fragile good to be cherished. Repression is an ever present threat to freedom. But we don't have to allow ignorance opportunity to proliferate.

[henry quirk]

Homophobia,sexism, and racism are not results of mental reflection and knowledge but arise from ignorance and arrogance of ignorance.

Which has nuthin' to do with H McD: she's not a homophobe, sexist, or racist.

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University students are taught to think for themselves with the best judgement possible

Not in the major universities, not in many of the minor colleges.

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and therefore when they were presented with half baked ideas they rebelled against this waste of their time, at the very least.

Which, again, has nuthin' to do with H McD.

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we know some ideas do infect others and cause mayhem.

Socialist clap-trap bein' chief among them.

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Our enemy is ignorance with subsequent reaction to unthinking fear of people who seem different.

No, the enemy is the denial, the condemnation, of the very real individual in favor of stultifying construct community.

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Henry, we cannot shoot the people who we disagree with

Yeah, I know, you humorless person.

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because our democracy is a fragile good to be cherished.

America is not a democracy; America is not fragile; I cherish it, so go preach to all the commies who don't. I'm in no mood to be lectured by you.

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Repression is an ever present threat to freedom.

Agreed. Tell your side to stop repressin' folks.

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But we don't have to allow ignorance opportunity to proliferate.

Agreed. Tell your side to wise up.

[Nick_A]

Belinda

You’ve described the problem of secular intolerance quite well. Simone Weil describes the problem

Religion in so far as it is a source of consolation is a hindrance to true faith; and in this sense atheism is a purification. I have to be an atheist with that part of myself which is not made for God. Among those in whom the supernatural part of themselves has not been awakened, the atheists are right and the believers wrong.
- Simone Weil, Faiths of Meditation; Contemplation of the divine
the Simone Weil Reader, edited by George A. Panichas (David McKay Co. NY 1977) p 417

When a person begins to sense something more than the two dimensions of flatland they begins to experience the vertical third force of value this person sees in a new way. But those defending flatland are as yet incapable of opening to this inner vertical direction of the third force. As as result they resort to the most hideous forms of attack other students can become envious of as they pursue self justification

Students are taught to defend ignorance and arrogance of ignorance. University students are taught to think for themselves with the best judgement possible and therefore when they were presented with half baked ideas they rebelled against this waste of their time, at the very least.

Of course being trapped in the duality of flatland the kids are just reacting normally to secular indoctrination. They have yet to experience the aim of real education since they have been taught half baked secular ideas clouding their minds. Yes these half baked ideas are attractive for those worshiping flatland and the best that can be hoped for in public education is that there are some teachers with the ability to help these special students drawn to the light and with the need to escape the duality of flatland

[Belinda]

Nick quoted:

Religion in so far as it is a source of consolation is a hindrance to true faith; and in this sense atheism is a purification. I have to be an atheist with that part of myself which is not made for God. Among those in whom the supernatural part of themselves has not been awakened, the atheists are right and the believers wrong.
- Simone Weil, Faiths of Meditation; Contemplation of the divine
the Simone Weil Reader, edited by George A. Panichas (David McKay Co. NY 1977) p 417

CG Jung answered an interviewer's question "do you believe God exists?" with "-----I don't believe God exists. I know God exists".

This made me think there is something of God in everybody.

[Nick_A]

Religion in so far as it is a source of consolation is a hindrance to true faith; and in this sense atheism is a purification. I have to be an atheist with that part of myself which is not made for God. Among those in whom the supernatural part of themselves has not been awakened, the atheists are right and the believers wrong.
- Simone Weil, Faiths of Meditation; Contemplation of the divine
the Simone Weil Reader, edited by George A. Panichas (David McKay Co. NY 1977) p 417

"even if we can't prevent the forces of tyranny from prevailing, we can at least "understand the force by which we are crushed." Simone Weil

But it is important to realize that it isn’t wanted. Because it is denied, society must continue on its cycle from evolution into devolution. It is a mechanical cycle which takes place automatically in accordance with natural and cosmic laws.

What society as a whole does depends upon the collective quality of its being. Water seeks its own level.

Matthew13: 18

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

Jesus is referring to many wise men. For some reason only a minority will awaken to the supernatural quality of their being. Many will find this idea so offensive it cannot be tolerated. It must be condemned in the strongest possible terms. We see how it happens in universities, philosophy websites, and other means designed to share ideas. Simone seems to have been made aware of what Jesus refers to. But how and why? Though a natural topic for philosophy it cannot be allowed because it suggests ignorance of human psychological potential. The result is that meaningful attempts must take place in private but where does a person find such people who have experienced what Jesus refers to? What does it mean to have ears to hear and eyes to see? We may not know but do know the secular experts have agreed that these ideas must be eliminated for the good of society

[Belinda]

Nick-A wrote:

What society as a whole does depends upon the collective quality of its being. Water seeks its own level.

It remains to be seen what society as a whole does. Who is going to write the history of man after man is gone?

[Walker]

Nick-A wrote:

What society as a whole does depends upon the collective quality of its being. Water seeks its own level.

It remains to be seen what society as a whole does. Who is going to write the history of man after man is gone?

Fossils and shards of pottery.

[Nick_A]

Nick-A wrote:

What society as a whole does depends upon the collective quality of its being. Water seeks its own level.

It remains to be seen what society as a whole does. Who is going to write the history of man after man is gone?

Animal life including animal Man reacts in cycles to universal laws. Ecclesiastes 3 describes the cycles.

A Time for Everything

3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.

A time to be born and time to die: dust to dust

Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account.

Nothing new under the sun Belinda. Like Sisyphus, society as a whole pushes the boulder up the hill only to see it fall back down the hill. Sometimes an individual realizes their situation and seeks a way out. I believe some do find what society is incapable of.

[Belinda]

Old Ecclesiastes was a stoic allright!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastes

Walker, have you been reading Ozymandias by Shelley!

[Walker]

Old Ecclesiastes was a stoic allright!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastes

Walker, have you been reading Ozymandias by Shelley!

Not until you mentioned it.

Reminds me of the last scene from Planet of the Apes.

[Nick_A]

From Wiki

The subjects of Ecclesiastes are the pain and frustration engendered by observing and meditating on the distortions and inequities pervading the world, the uselessness of human deeds, and the limitations of wisdom and righteousness. The phrase "under the sun" appears thirty times in connection with these observations; all this coexists with a firm belief in God, whose power, justice and unpredictability are sovereign.[29] History and nature move in cycles, so that all events are predetermined and unchangeable, and life has no meaning or purpose: the wise man and the man who does not study wisdom will both die and be forgotten: man should be reverent ("Fear God"), but in this life it is best to simply enjoy God's gifts.[21]

Can animal man profit by understanding any of this by didactic reason and without his supernatural part being awakened? Just seems like a mass of contradictions

18 I also said to myself, “As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath[c]; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”

22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a person than to enjoy their work, because that is their lot. For who can bring them to see what will happen after them?

For the majority it is best to enjoy their work and be a good person. But what of this small minority who sense the light and seek the way out of animal slavery? They and their ideas must be hated. Who can bring them to see what will happen after them? Can these people be helped by what attracts them? How can they open to choice between animal and human existence they have been made aware of in a world which seeks their destruction?